Provenance of /Or/ > [ar] / __@ ?

[Neal Whitman]

You're right. "farrest" is marked for me, but I say [sarI] and find [sOrI] strange.

Neal

On Nov 17, 2012, at 2:16 AM, Spanbock/Svoboda-Spanbock <spanbocks at VERIZON.NET> wrote:

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> It is a longstanding source of amusement to my L.A.-bred children, who laugh when I say AH-rinj but who nonetheless say that they are SAH-rry.
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> On Nov 16, 2012, at 10:36 PM, Laurence Horn wrote:
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>> On Nov 16, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Neal Whitman wrote:
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>>> I'm sure this has been analyzed somewhere at some point, but I don't know where.
>>> What is the dialect that has /O/ lowering to [a] in a stressed vowel preceding
>>> /r/ and an unstressed vowel? In other words, the dialect that pronounces
>>> "forest" as "farrest," "Florida" as "Flarrida", "Oregon" as "Ahregun,"
>>> "horrible" etc. as "harrible" etc., "authority" as "autharity", but still has
>>> [O] in "fort", "lore," etc.? What is this realization called?
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>> It's what I grew up with in NYC, although I've shifted over to [O] most of the time for these; I suspect I go back and forth (on "Florida", "orange", "forest") even though I think of myself as an open-o employer for these (the first group, that is; I've never varied on [O] for "fort" or "lore").  I think of "AH-rinj" as the locus classicus, but as I recall it was getting mocked for my [a] in "corridor" as a freshman in Rochester that led to my abandoning my native vowels in this frame.  I'm sure I never say "flarrist", but I probably did before the fall of 1961.
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>> LH
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>>> I've been vaguely aware of it for many years, but have begun to notice it more,
>>> especially among certain NPR speakers. I even heard one guy on Planet Money talk
>>> about a "flarrist" (florist), which is right in line with the phonetic
>>> environment I described, but was still a new pronunciation to me.
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>>> Neal
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