apparently I'm a bigoted hypocrite

[Neal Whitman]

I wrote a guest script for Grammar Girl earlier this year, in which she retracts her apology for saying "Where it's at".

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/where-are-you-at.aspx

Neal

On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

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> Ignore. Because your correspondent has already missed the point, you'll
> only be talking at cross purposes.
>
> He thinks you're saying "If it feels good, do it."
>
> It sounds as though his students are extremely unprepared to compete for
> jobs requiring a confident command of standard English (maybe especially in
> writing) and he's mad because you're implying that there's no quick fix.
> (I mean,  "no easy way to remedy the situation.")  So that's translated
> into an inference that you're saying almost anything goes -  because the
> kids have to rely on their own language savvy. (I mean, "sense of
> situational appropriateness.").
>
> If there's one thing I've learned from watching TV commercials, there's
> always a quick fix. Anything else would be un-American.  So find a quick
> fix!
>
> JL
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> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:29 PM, James Harbeck <jharbeck at sympatico.ca>wrote:
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>> Sheesh, attempt to teach people nuances of how language works and how to =
>> use it effectively and get this kind of abuse -- from a comment at =
>> http://sesquiotic.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/grammar-girl-is-not-where-its-a=
>> t/#comments :
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>> Your advice doesn=92t help my students, who are grappling with learning =
>> English that is acceptable to employers and have been crippled in their =
>> basic educations by progressive theories so that employers reject them. =
>> Perhaps you think it is clever to suggest that students who have trouble =
>> competing with Ivy League graduates should thrive on messy English. In =
>> fact, you and the educators who agree with you cripple students from =
>> less-than-elite backgrounds. There is a vicious elitism in your and =
>> related progressive education theories which I struggle to combat. I =
>> notice that your own writing does not violate Grammar Girl=92s rules. =
>> Hypocritical theories like yours have victimized my students, and I =
>> can=92t help but suggest that your ideas are self-serving and bigoted. =
>> I=92m willing to bet that your own children won=92t be crippled the way =
>> the New York City school system has crippled my students.
>>
>> Sigh. I have to go to the theatre. Anyone else want to respond to this =
>> guy before I get to it?
>>
>> James Harbeck.=
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