Install and installation

[Laurence Horn]

On Dec 12, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Peter Richardson wrote:

> Our house alarm guy in Portland talks about "doing a disarm" with initial
> stress. Do you suppose there's a recessive word-initial Germanic stress

Well, penult stress for nouns vs. verbs is a pretty robust pattern for alternations ("permit", "record", and a whole bunch of con words: "contrast", "contest", "conflict", "consort", "conscript",…).

LH

> lurking about here, as in DE-fense at football games vs. de-FENSE counsel?
> We don't have to look far for parallels like PO-lice, as demonstrated in
> DARE vol. 1, xxxviff.
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> Peter Richardson
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> On 12/11/13 7:03 PM, "Herb Stahlke" <hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>> Here in Central Indiana, verbs like install and insure frequently get
>> penultimate stress anyway, so only context can distinguish them from their
>> functionally shifted nouns.
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>> Herb
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>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at ix.netcom.com>wrote:
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>>> It appears this pair has not been mentioned in connection with
>>> invite/invitation.
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>>> Today, I saw "home theater system install unit" (or something very close
>>> to it) on a Geek Squad truck. Like "invite," I think this has a very high
>>> acceptance rate.
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>>> Both "install" and "invite" lack a schwa sound, which may be relevant. "We
>>> have to do an install on 59th Street" may sound more serious or jargon-like
>>> to installers (and customers) because of the fuller vowel.
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>>> Benjamin Barrett
>>> Formerly of Seattle, WA
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