Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed Back to, 1886, (Corrected Citation)

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Thu Feb 7 01:57:47 UTC 2013

Careless usage? Or semantic survival?

1986 Kristen R. Yount _Women and Men Coal Miners_ (Ph.d. diss., U. of
Colorado Dept. of Sociology) 284: Like a guy would take in coffee and, to
play a trick on him, they'd put  those little vienna sausages in his
coffee? So when he'd go to pour him a cup, the [laugh] hot dog would get
stuck in it, you know? And you'd be laughing.

It would never occur to me to call a "little vienna sausage" a "hot dog,"
esp. if I'd just used the word "sausages."


On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>wrote:

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> On Jan 24, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Amy West wrote:
> > On 1/24/13 12:00 AM, Automatic digest processor wrote:
> >>> Can a food dish using rye bread (and perhaps in preference to rolls)
> >>> >and horseradish really originate in Tennessee rather than New York
> City?
> >>> >(Wondered only half seriously.)
> >>> >
> >>> >Joel
> >> Inspired by this discussion I tried out a hot dog (well, actually hot
> sausage) on (marble) rye bread with horseradish, all of which I had on
> hand, along with a bit of sauerkraut, which wasn't explicitly excluded in
> the 19th century discussion. Not bad at all. (Mercifully, Hillshire Farms
> does not divulge whether their product contains any bung; what you don't
> know can't revolt you.)
> >>
> >> LH
> >>
> >>
> > I have to admit that I have the same question as Joel. Well, there was a
> > large influx of Germans into the US pre-Civil War due to the failed
> > Republican movement in the German states, and a large number of them
> > fought in the Union forces during the Civil War. . .I suppose there
> > could be some migration to TN.
> >
> > And Herr Prof. Dr. Horn, for your experimental archaeology, I think you
> > need to use what we call Vienna sausages in your experiment.
> >
> I was just allowing for inflation.
> LH
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