Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed Back to, 1886, (Corrected Citation)

[Jonathan Lighter]

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JL

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:

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> In my opinion, it would never occur to most people to worry about the
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> On Wednesday, February 6, 2013, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
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> > Subject:      Re: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed
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> >               to, 1886, (Corrected Citation)
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> > Careless usage? Or semantic survival?
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> > 1986 Kristen R. Yount _Women and Men Coal Miners_ (Ph.d. diss., U. of
> > Colorado Dept. of Sociology) 284: Like a guy would take in coffee and, to
> > play a trick on him, they'd put  those little vienna sausages in his
> > coffee? So when he'd go to pour him a cup, the [laugh] hot dog would get
> > stuck in it, you know? And you'd be laughing.
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> > It would never occur to me to call a "little vienna sausage" a "hot dog,"
> > esp. if I'd just used the word "sausages."
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> > JL
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> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu
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> > > Poster:       Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU <javascript:;>>
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> > > On Jan 24, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Amy West wrote:
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> > > > On 1/24/13 12:00 AM, Automatic digest processor wrote:
> > > >>> Can a food dish using rye bread (and perhaps in preference to
> rolls)
> > > >>> >and horseradish really originate in Tennessee rather than New York
> > > City?
> > > >>> >(Wondered only half seriously.)
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >Joel
> > > >> Inspired by this discussion I tried out a hot dog (well, actually
> hot
> > > sausage) on (marble) rye bread with horseradish, all of which I had on
> > > hand, along with a bit of sauerkraut, which wasn't explicitly excluded
> in
> > > the 19th century discussion. Not bad at all. (Mercifully, Hillshire
> Farms
> > > does not divulge whether their product contains any bung; what you
> don't
> > > know can't revolt you.)
> > > >>
> > > >> LH
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > I have to admit that I have the same question as Joel. Well, there
> was
> > a
> > > > large influx of Germans into the US pre-Civil War due to the failed
> > > > Republican movement in the German states, and a large number of them
> > > > fought in the Union forces during the Civil War. . .I suppose there
> > > > could be some migration to TN.
> > > >
> > > > And Herr Prof. Dr. Horn, for your experimental archaeology, I think
> you
> > > > need to use what we call Vienna sausages in your experiment.
> > > >
> > > I was just allowing for inflation.
> > >
> > > LH
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