Antedating of "MILF"

Sun Feb 24 19:24:24 UTC 2013

As Ben explained in his post on the topic:

http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0705A&L=ADS-L&P=R880

The band member said that they named the band after the acronym, which
was new to them when they first heard it. Note also that in that post
Ben also provides a hard 1992 quotation for the band name.

My standards for _The F-Word_ aren't the same as those of the OED, so my
acceptance of something in the former doesn't mean that similar
standards would be accepted by OED bibliographers. I hope that they'll
accept the 1992 date in the 1995 paper that Garson found, but I'm not
sure.

Jesse Sheidlower

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 07:11:30PM +0000, Shapiro, Fred wrote:
> I was basing the link between the band name and the acronym on the fact that _The F-Word_ seems to accept that link.  What did the band member say about the meaning of the band name when Ben Zimmer talked to him or her?
>
> Fred Shapiro
>
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> 1991 is when the band was founded; Ben Zimmer talked to one of the
> members and reported on this. The OED does mention milf (the band) in
> its etymology, but notes that there's no contemporaneous evidence that
> the band's name was from the relevant acronym, so by OED standards 1995
> is the first quote (and Fred's 1993 quote still isn't an antedating of
> this).
>
> Jesse Sheidlower
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:48:24AM -0500, ADSGarson O'Toole wrote:
> > Jesse Sheidlower includes a citation for the rock band "milf" in "The
> > F-word", I think. The page is blocked in Google Books but the
> > extracted text appears to give a date of 1991 for the rock band.
> >
> > The F-Word - Google Books Result
> > books.google.com/books?isbn=0199751552
> > Jesse Sheidlower - 2009 - Reference
> >
> > [Begin extracted text]
> > MILF noun [mother (or mom) I'd like to fuck] a sexually attractive
> > woman who is a mother or (generally) in early middle age. 1991 (name
> > of rock band): milf.
> > [End extracted text]
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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> > >
> > > On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Martin Kaminer wrote:
> > >
> > >> To say nothing of the Filipino separatist group --
> > >>
> > >> _Standoff linked to MILF peace deal?_
> > >> http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/02/24/standoff-linked-to-milf-peace-deal/
> > >>
> > >> _Gov't, MILF enforce pact on reduction of explosive devices_
> > >> http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/02/15/909381/govt-milf-enforce-pact-reduction-explosive-devices
> > >>
> > >> etc.
> > >>
> > >> source of endless mirth.
> > >
> > > I'll say.  Also possible lawsuits, seeing as how "our" MILF were already established back in the 20th century while these upstart Moro Islamic Liberation Front folks are apparently MILFs-come-lately.  A case for the International Court of Justice!
> > >
> > > LH
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
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> > >>> Subject:      Re: Antedating of "MILF"
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> > >>> Does the name of "endearing central state rockers" really count?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sunday, February 24, 2013, Shapiro, Fred wrote:
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> > >>>> Subject:      Antedating of "MILF"
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> > >>>>
> > >>>> MILF (OED 1995)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1993 _Buffalo News_ 8 Apr. (Nexis)  A Goo Goo Dolls tribute lp is in the
> > >>>> wo=
> > >>>> rks, featuring messy but endearing center-state rockers MILF doing the Goo
> > >>>> =
> > >>>> classic "Up Yours."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Fred Shapiro
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