NYC's Upper, Lower, and mid- East Sides

[Jonathan Lighter]

I meant "Yorkville," not "Yorktown."

See, one part of my mind was anticipating the "town" in "Germantown" while
the other was obviously thinking of the American Revolution. The older you
get, the more this happens. Thinking of the American Revolution, I mean.

"Yorkville" is correct.

JL

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Jesse Sheidlower <jester at panix.com> wrote:

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> As a twenty-year resident of Midtown East (or East Midtown), I can
> assure you that it is a real neighborhood and that is really called
> that. There are other neighborhoods in the area (including the ones you
> mentioned, as well as Kips Bay and more diffuse things like "the Sutton
> Place area") too. Agreed that the UES starts at 60th and goes to 96th,
> with its own subneighborhoods (Yorkville, Carnegie Hill, etc. etc.).
>
> Nowadays--by which I mean at least the last 20 years--the LES is
> regarded as a separate neighborhood from the East Village (or its
> subneighborhoods, like NoHo, Alphabet City, etc.) It would be really
> unusual to regard the East Village as part of the LES. I'd agree that
> the LES would refer to the below-Houston, east-of-Allen area (north of,
> say, East Broadway).
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> Maryam Bakht, at Hunter, sent out a questionnaire last month about these
> exact issues. I don't know if she's published the results.
>
> Jesse Sheidlower
> OED
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> On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 05:56:20PM +0100, Michael Newman wrote:
> > For me:
> >
> > The Upper East Side is from 60th to 96th. Above that is East Harlem.
> East Side is just a vague way of saying east of 5th Avenue above Washington
> Square and Bway below it. There is no neighborhood called "The East Side"
> > The Lower East Side is ambiguous. Some days it's below 14th St, but
> other days the East Village gets in the way, and in that case, it's below
> Houston and east more or less of Allen. The question is whether I consider
> the East Village part of the LES, which is a variable for me. Actually,
> Kara Becker has a great discussion of this in her 2010 NYU Diss, which I
> hope she publishes one day. The basic idea is that the whole East Village
> area was once part of the LES until real estate interests promoted the name
> East Village during the late 60s if I remember right. As far as I know the
> Upper East Side hasn't changed in my lifetime.
> >
> > There is no Mid East Side. There is talk now of Midtown East, but that
> seems recent to me. Traditional names are Turtle Bay, Gramercy Park, and
> Murray Hill, all of which are distinct neighborhoods, all of which are in
> what might be thought of generally as Midtown East.
> >
> > BTW, the Upper West Side goes right up to about 110st, and of course
> there is no Lower West Side.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael Newman
> > Associate Professor of Linguistics
> > Queens College/CUNY
> > michael.newman at qc.cuny.edu
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> >
> >
> > On Jan 7, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
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> > > Where did New Yorkers use to place, and where do they now place --
> > >
> > > the Upper East Side?  Do I correctly remember a definition of "above
> > > 96th Street"?
> > >
> > > the Lower East Side?  Below what?
> > >
> > > the mid East Side?  And what term is used for that region?  (Aside
> > > from "the fashionable East Side".)
> > >
> > > Joel
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