Heard: "I'm on *your* guys's side!" [NT]

[Herb Stahlke]

I've heard /juz/ in WWII movies to caricature a NYC accent, but my
reference to northern Ohio and western New York--asI should have said
instead of Upstate New York--is based on anecdotal evidence, hearing it in
coffee shops and gas stations.

Herb


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:

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> I've never heard  /yus/ either (that I've noticed), though I've heard / yuz
> / countless times.
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> In fact, it's surprising to see "yous" identified as belonging to "northern
> Ohio and upper New York State."
>
> In my youth, right after the Vowel Shift, it was stereotypically associated
> with NYC, specifically with that quasi-mythical borough called Brooklyn,
> home of Ralph Kramden and former home of the expatriate Chester Riley.
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> JL
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> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu
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> > On Jan 23, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Herb Stahlke wrote:
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> > > There is also the northern Ohio and upstate NY "youse guys."  Alluding
> to
> > > another thread, I've heard "youse" with both /s/ and /z/, although I
> have
> > > no idea what the distribution of these variants might be.  "Youse guys"
> > > also gets used as a possessive.
> > >
> > > Herb
> >
> > Interesting.  I've seen "yous" as well as "youse", but I've only ever
> > heard /yuz/.  (And of course "/yuz/ guys", "/yuz/ guys's", and so on.)
> >  I've never heard /yus/ as a pronoun, in upstate NY, NYC, LI, New
> England,
> > or elsewhere in the lands of "youse".
> >
> > LH
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Neal Whitman <nwhitman at ameritech.net
> > >wrote:
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> > >> I've definitely heard "your guys's" in the wild, and have noted its
> > doubly
> > >> marked possessive at the time.
> > >>
> > >> Neal
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 23, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
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> > >>> On the other hands, the form "guys's'" *is* weird - but not uncommon
> in
> > >>> "you guys's."
> > >>>
> > >>> JL
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Jonathan Lighter
> > >>> <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:
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> > >>>> Sounds a little odd but not impossible.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> JL
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at gmail.com
> >
> > >>>> wrote:
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
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> > >>>>> Unless "you guys" has grammaticalized as a second plural pronoun,
> as
> > it
> > >>>>> seems to have in some Northern dialects.  I know I've used
> > expressions
> > >>>> like
> > >>>>> "you guys side" but "your guys side" feels odd, with or without the
> > >> "'s."
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Herb
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Benjamin Barrett <
> > >> gogaku at ix.netcom.com
> > >>>>>> wrote:
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> > >>>>>> Thank you. Now I see the issue.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If my buddy is rooting for team X, then one meaning of "your
> guys's
> > >>>> side"
> > >>>>>> is the side of my buddy's guys. I think that's okay.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> But even so, if I have two friends rooting for team X, and I am,
> > too,
> > >>>>> then
> > >>>>>> "I'm on your guys's side" sounds right. I don't think I would even
> > say
> > >>>>> "you
> > >>>>>> guys's side" though I agree that it doesn't make sense when
> > analyzed.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Benjamin Barrett
> > >>>>>> Seattle, WA
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Jan 23, 2013, at 12:00 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:13 AM, Benjamin Barrett <
> > >>>>> gogaku at ix.netcom.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> If that's the plural second person possessive, that sounds right
> > to
> > >>>>> me,
> > >>>>>> but what do the asterisks mean?...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Stress, like,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> "I'm on YOUR guys's side!"
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> as opposed to those guys's side.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You would say "on your guys's side" and not "on your side" or "on
> > you
> > >>>>>>> guys' side"? You'd combine the two, using "you guys's"?
> > Interesting.
> > >>>>>>> You wouldn't write the combo version, though, right?
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