Q: "frowning point"?

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Tue Jan 29 12:11:01 UTC 2013


Earlier in the day, I'd have written "forbiddingly."

JL

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:

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> At 1/28/2013 09:19 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> >Sounds to me more like a "frowning" (because formidably elevated) "point"
> >of land.
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> I'm convinced.  I was led off course by the "high ... point" and
> coming about, where I took "high" as "close to the wind".  "High and
> frowning point" is just one "it", not "two separate points (of the
> compass)".
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> Joel
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> >On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> > > In text circa 1830-1840, describing a portion of a sailing voyage
> > > when the ship was close to land and the crew concerned about
> > > crashing, I read "we were squeezing round the high and frowning
> > > point, and in good time wholly weathered it and got into an open sea
> > > to leeward ..."
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> > > I don't find "frowning (point)" in the OED.  What does it mean? I am
> > > guessing a "point" (direction) relative to the wind when sailing
> upwind.
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