Suspect Tecumseh quote

[ADSGarson O'Toole]

Seton acknowledges Dr Charles A Eastman whose Native American name was Ohiyesa.

[Begin excerpt]
... to Dr. Charles A. Eastman (Ohiyesa) for general criticism and for
special assistance in the chapters on "The Indian's Creed." "Teepee
Etiquette" and the "Teachings of Wabasha I."
[End excerpt]

The nature and extent of the assistance is not clear to me. Perhaps
some of the text credited to Wabasha was provided by Eastman? Charles
Alexander Eastman wrote "The Soul of the Indian". Here is an instance
of a statement credited to Wabashaw (or Wabasha) that appeared in
Eastman's book (Copyright 1911) that also appeared in Seton's book
(1912):

http://books.google.com/books?id=DA8TAAAAYAAJ&q=%22Guard+your%22#v=snippet&

[Begin excerpt]
"Guard your tongue in youth," said the old chief, Wabashaw, "and in
age you may mature a thought that will be of service to your people!"
[End excerpt]

I gave an incorrect link in the previous message that led to a 1922
edition of "The Book of Woodcraft and Indian Lore" instead of a 1912
edition. Here is a link to the 1912 edition (I hope):

Title: The Book of Woodcraft and Indian Lore
Author: Ernest Thompson Seton
Publisher: Doubleday Page and Company
Year: 1912

http://books.google.com/books?id=GUVIAAAAIAAJ&q=%22Guard+your%22#v=snippet&

Garson

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Jonathan Lighter
<wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Fascinating. It sounds suspiciously like a potpouri of things a Native
> American sage might be expected by a white romantic to say.
>
> If the passage were even partially genuine, early texts should be easy to
> find. But there's nothing in American Periodicals, JSTOR, or Anthropology
> Plus that I see.
>
> Teachings of Don Juan, anyone?
>
> JL
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:24 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole <
> adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Jon and list members: The same author, Ernest Thompson Seton,
>> published a book with a section presenting "THE TEACHINGS OF WABASHA
>> I" in 1912. The teachings in 1912 overlap the later longer version
>> that you referenced, but I have not performed a detailed comparison.
>>
>> Title: The Book of Woodcraft and Indian Lore
>> Author: Ernest Thompson Seton
>> Publisher: Doubleday Page and Company
>> Year: 1912
>>
>> http://books.google.com/books?id=Y_g1AAAAMAAJ&q=%22of+Wabasha%22#v=snippet&
>>
>>
>> [Here are some examples of overlaps:]
>>
>> (Begin excerpt)
>> In the day of his strength no man is fat. Fat is good in a beast, but
>> in a man it is disease and comes only of an evil life.
>> (End excerpt)
>>
>> (Begin excerpt)
>> Touch not the poisonous firewater that makes wise men turn fools.
>> Neither touch food nor taste drink that robs the body of its power or
>> the spirit {of its vision}.
>> (End excerpt)
>>
>> [The text in braces has been added to the later version].
>>
>> I am using the version of "The Gospel of Red Man" given at the
>> following link in the comparison. This text is in Google Books preview
>> mode:
>>
>> http://books.google.com/books?id=aABmgeR4C1cC&
>>
>> Garson
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Jonathan Lighter
>> <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > For Garson:
>> >
>> > In 1936 the naturalist Ernest Thompson Seton (and Julia Moss Seton)
>> > published a multipage passage beginning with these words:
>> >
>> > "So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
>> > Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and
>> > demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life,
>> beautify
>> > all things in your life. ..."  (_The Gospel of the Red Man_, pp. 60ff.)
>> >
>> > Seton called it "The Teachings of Wabasha," but he wrote that it was
>> "Also
>> > ascribed to Tecumseh, Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse, and Wovoka."
>> >
>> > The action thriller _Act of Valor_ (2012) closes with a slightly edited
>> > version. The first line at least has been quoted frequently, usually
>> > credited to Tecumseh.
>> >
>> > But where did Seton get it? Hathi & GB show nothing before 1936.
>> >
>> > JL
>> >
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