Repartee: Oscar Wilde: I wish I had said that. James Whistler: You will, Oscar, you will

[ADSGarson O'Toole]

Thank you very much Hugo and Stephen I will work to update the entry
on the QI website to incorporate your excellent discoveries,
Garson

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu> wrote:
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>               Whistler: You will, Oscar, you will
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> Earlier: Jan 24, 1886 Boston/Sunday Herald page 14 col. 7
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> 1886, May 12, Wichita Daily Eagle, page 4 col. 2 for an earlier version of the story, attributed to The Argonaut:
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> http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045789/1886-05-12/ed-1/seq-4/#date1=1836&sort=date&date2=1922&searchType=advanced&language=&sequence=0&index=0&words=Oscar+Whistler+Wilde&proxdistance=5&rows=20&ortext=&proxtext=&phrasetext=Whistler+and+Oscar+Wilde&andtext=&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1
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> or:
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> Stephen Goranson
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> The exact same text, save for a comma or two, as the May 1887 can be found in February 1887:
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> [Begin]
> Whistler and Wilde.
> A Boston artist tells this story of Whist­-
> ler and Oscar Wilde, who has the repute­-
> tion of, borrowing Whistler's bright
> speeches. Having heard the artist say an
> unusually good thing Oscar exclaimed,
> deploringly: "I wish I could have said
> that." "Oh," replied Whistler derisively,
> "but you know you will say it."
> [End]
>
> Bottom of the second column of:
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> Jamestown weekly alert. (Jamestown, Stutsman County, D.T. [N.D.]), 10 Feb. 1887. Chronicling America: Historic American Newspapers. Lib. of Congress. <http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85042405/1887-02-10/ed-1/seq-5/>
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> Hugo
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>> Date:    Thu, 5 Sep 2013 15:30:18 -0400
>> From:    ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM>
>> Subject: Repartee: Oscar Wilde: I wish I had said that. James Whistler: You
>>         will, Oscar, you will
>>
>> A popular anecdote states that James McNeill Whistler (or somebody)
>> made a humorous remark and the following statements were exchanged:
>>
>> Oscar Wilde: I wish I had said that.
>> James McNeill Whistler: You will, Oscar, you will
>>
>> The Yale Book of Quotations has a citation in 1907. Fred later shared
>> a great citation dated April 4, 1892 in the Yale Alumni magazine.
>>
>> The QI website now has an exploration of the topic with citations
>> starting in May 1887:
>>
>> http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/05/oscar-will/
>>
>> Feedback, encomiums, and interesting citations welcome,
>> Garson
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