The not-yet-Old "North State" (pre-nickname for North Carolina), 1796; the old "Rip van Winkle State", [1835], 1844 (antedates OED3, 1857--)

Joel S. Berson Berson at ATT.NET
Sun Apr 6 21:31:26 UTC 2014

At 4/6/2014 03:10 PM, Shapiro, Fred wrote:
>Are you saying that North Carolina was not one of the original 13 colonies?

Oops!  How did I do that, he asked rhetorically.  Apparently by
confusing 12 with 14.  NC was the 12th state admitted to the Union,
not the 14th (Wikipedia, "List of U.S. states by date of
statehood").  Since RI was the next (the 13th), I leaped to the
conclusion that NC was not one of the original 13.  Had I not looked
at Wikipedia's list, I never would have made this mistake.

I am correct, however, that as a state it was a youth of 7 in 1796.


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>Subject: Re: The not-yet-Old "North State" (pre-nickname for
>North              Carolina), 1796; the old "Rip van Winkle State",
>[1835],              1844 (antedates OED3, 1857--)
>I.  "north state", 1796.
>My interest aroused, I widened the search to "north state" as a
>reference to North-Carolina.  Perhaps in 1796 it was not yet old,
>being but a youth of 7.  (It had been admitted to "the Union" in
>1789, the twelfth to ratify the Constitution although not one of the
>original 13 colonies.  Remember recalcitrant Rhode-Island.)
>Santee Canal. To the Public.  [headline]
>The exports from, and imports to, the south-western inhabitants of
>North-Carolina, which are likely to pass through the canal, will far
>exceed any thing that has ever yet come to this city [Charleston] by
>land or by the mouth of the Santee. This must be the case as long as
>our neighbours in that part of the north state, increase in numbers
>and pursue their own interest.
>[City Gazette (Charleston, S.C.), 1796 Feb. 19, p. 2, col. probably 1.  EAN.]
>II.  "Rip Van Winkle State", [1835], 1844; antedates OED3 1857--
>Then there is this nickname for North-Carolina!
>North-Carolina.---By the following extract of a letter from a member
>of the Legislature, it will be seen that the Rip Van Winkle of the
>South, as the North State has been sometimes good humoredly called,
>has roused up from his sleep, and signally VETOED THE VETO.
>[New Hampshire Sentinel (Keene), 1835 Jan. 22, p. [3], col. 1.  EAN.]
>North Carolina Election. Look out for a whig shout over the first
>returns from North Carolina. The democrats always concede them the
>old "Rip Van Winkle state" but they will crow as if they never had it before.
>Barre (Massachusetts) Gazette, 1844 Aug. 9, p. 2, col. probably 2.  EAN.]
>"Rip Van Winkle State" is not a headword in the OED, but there is
>one, later quotation under "Rip Van Winkle":
>"1857   Harper's Mag. Dec. 135/2   This announcement will doubtless
>take many by surprise, and add another rivet, fastening upon us the
>sobriquet of the Rip Van Winkle State [i.e. North Carolina]."
>For the origin of this nickname, see  ,
>"Railroads of North Carolina", ed. by Alan Coleman, Introduction very
>first paragraph:  "Four decades after the transition from a colony to
>a state, North Carolina exhibited scant improvements in economic and
>social development. Indeed, by 1839, the state seemed so resistant to
>the industrial and agricultural changes sweeping the rest of the
>country that it had acquired the nickname 'the Rip Van Winkle State.'"
>At 4/5/2014 10:27 AM, Bonnie Taylor-Blake wrote:
> >The OED shows an 1839 usage as its earliest example for "the Old North
> >State," a nickname for North Carolina.  Here are a few (of many) that
> >appeared before 1839.
> >
> >-- Bonnie
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >
> >Be not alarmed, ye citizens of the old north State, at my unfurling
> >the standard of Liberty. [From "Communication; Proclamation," Raleigh
> >(NC) Register and North-Carolina State Gazette, 16 April 1824, p. 4;
> >via]
> >
> >Seeing that it has been declared elsewhere, that nothing short of a
> >total repeal of the Tariff will be accepted as a propitiatory ovation
> >to present discontents, and that even that will not be sufficient to
> >satisfy the demands of the Reformers, we should be sorry indeed to
> >find the old North State range herself on the side of such wild and
> >visionary politics and politicians.  [From "North Carolina," The Daily
> >National Intelligencer (Washington, DC), 22 November 1830, p. 3; via
> >]
> >
> >Thus it seems that a narrow neck of land, not exceeding 11 miles in
> >breadth, divides three fourths of this State, from one of the finest
> >harbors and sea ports in the union -- and for want of another good
> >outlet to the sea, at least 500,000 people are daily becoming "hewers
> >of wood and drawers of water" to their neighbors, -- when a single act
> >of the legislature, would remove the difficulty, and place the 'Old
> >North State' on a proper footing in the confederacy.  [From "Internal
> >Improvement," The New Bern (NC) Spectator and Literary Journal, 25
> >November 1831, p. 3; via]
> >
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