Towards/toward (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Herb Stahlke]

And then there's the Big 10, historically a Midwestern conference that now
extends from Nebraska to New Jersey.


On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Paul Johnston <paul.johnston at wmich.edu>wrote:

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> When I was a kiddie living in Chicagoland, we always considered StL to be
> Midwestern, like us (our big sports rivals, though in the days before the
> Bulls, I rooted for the Hawks when they were there).  I don't know if we
> extended that to the whole state, but at least the Northern half and Kansas
> City, too.  Southern IL, despite a Southern accent, was also Midwestern.
>  The whole list of states:  ND, SD, NE, KS, MN, IA, MO, WI, IL, MI, IN, and
> OH.  Some people even included OK, which I would never do.  My wife, from
> Cleveland, would exclude MO (it's Southern) and the whole ND to KS row
> (it's Western).  So I wouldn't have been surprised if you didn't have a
> Southern accent.  I was surprised that people as far north as Terre Haute,
> IN, never mind Cairo, IL, have one (or at least something transitional).
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> Paul
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> On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:10 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> > On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> >> Don't many consider Missouri to be in the south because it was a
> >> slave state?
> >>
> >
> > I don't know, but it seems reasonable that that would be the assumption
> > made by people who assume that the "peculiar institution" was peculiar to
> > the Deep South, as racism supposedly is, today. :-(
> >
> >> O[r], Wilson, did you live in East St. Louis?
> >
> > Surely, you jest! :-)
> >
> > You have no way of knowing, of course, Joel, but asking a St. Louisan
> > whether he's from the East Side is akin to asking a San Franciscan
> whether
> > he's from Los Angeles. Back in the day, Chicagoans used to hassle
> visitors
> > from StL by asking, "St. Louis? Illinois or Missouri?" as though there
> > could be any question. The East Side was nothing more than where St.
> > Louisans went after Missouri closed, at 1:30 am.
> >
> > Well, it could have been the case that people from the East Side claimed
> to
> > Chicagoans that they were from StL., but I don't know. There's a rapper
> who
> > proclaims, "I'm from St. Louis, but I'm from the *East* Side!"
> >
> > Youneverknow.
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