"Albatross" (Golf)

Wed Apr 16 23:46:29 UTC 2014

The bad luck is if the albatross sinks you...

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> On Apr 16, 2014, at 7:42 PM, "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> Subject:      Re: "Albatross" (Golf)
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> If one sinks an albatross, isn't it bad luck?
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> Joel
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> At 4/16/2014 03:21 PM, Benjamin Torbert wrote:
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>> When I was a kid, people would refer to double eagle as 'albatross.'
>> They're extremely rare, occurring mostly on short par fives, or
>> occasionally on now-driveable par fours, and there have been about four of
>> them at Augusta.  I never hear that anymore, only 'double eagle.'  Double
>> eagle doesn't make any sense given what we do with holes played over par;
>> double bogey is twice as many strokes over par as bogey. Double eagle isn't
>> double the number of strokes under par that an eagle is; it's one more.
>>
>> Benjamin Torbert
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>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu>wrote:
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>>> Poster:       "Shapiro, Fred" <fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU>
>>> Subject:      Re: Antedating of "Eagle" (Golf)
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>>> Yes, Barry as usual has done a great job on this.
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>>> A general comment:  I have long been interested in the terms "eagle,"
>>> "birdie," "par," "bogey," etc.  In particular, it is interesting that some
>>> of these terms have completely altered their meaning over time.
>>>
>>> Fred Shapiro
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>>> Subject: Re: Antedating of "Eagle" (Golf)
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>>> Dan Goncharoff wrote:
>>>> Great finds, Garson!
>>>>
>>>> You have simultaneously confirmed the Atlantic City Country Club as the
>>>> source of Eagle and predated their own history of it by 13 years.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Dan. The information is intriguing. However, it should be
>>> emphasized that credit properly belongs to Barry Popik. He located the
>>> cites in January 1909, February 1909, and 1921 that were relayed to
>>> the ADS list in my previous message.
>>> Garson
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>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:14 AM, ADSGarson O'Toole <
>>>> adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Subject:      Re: Antedating of "Eagle" (Golf)
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>>>>> Barry Popik shrewdly looked for the golf "eagle" in the excellent
>>>>> archive of sports publications at LA84.org and found earlier evidence
>>>>> which off-list he kindly shared. Garson
>>>>>
>>>>> Replying to Queries
>>>>> American Golfer, 1921, Vol. 24, Iss. 2, pgs. 22.
>>>>> ... Will you be good enough to en- lighten me on the meanings of the
>>>>> following: "Birdie," "Eagle," "Dormie" and '"Nassau"? B EGINNER . ...
>>>>> library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/AmericanGolfer/1921/ag242t.pdf
>>>>> ...
>>>>> [PDF] Around Philadelphia
>>>>> The American Golfer, by Hazard. 1909 January Vol. 1 No. 3 p. 124-128.
>>>>> ... Sometime after the hatching of the Birdie another fea- thered
>>>>> feature was given to golf=E2=80=94the Eagle, which soars even higher
>>> than=
>>>> the
>>>>> Birdie and is ...
>>>>> library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/AmericanGolfer/1909/ag13j.pdf
>>>>> ...
>>>>> PDF] Around Philadelphia
>>>>> The American Golfer, by Hazard. 1909 February Vol. 1 No. 4 p. 196-200.
>>>>> ... At this critical point the doctor won the championship with an
>>>>> "Eagle"=E2=80=94a wonderful 3=E2=80=94although a "Bird" would have
>>> suffic=
>>>> ed. ...
>>>>> library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/AmericanGolfer/1909/ag14k.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:05 AM, ADSGarson O'Toole
>>>>> <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Fred Shapiro:
>>>>>>> eagle (OED, 1.d., 1922)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1913 _L.A. Times_ 6 Feb. (ProQuest Historical Newspapers)  He made
>>> the
>>>>> long=3D
>>>>>>> hole, No. 6 -- 629 yards -- in 4 (an "eagle," messieurs).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Excellent work, Fred. Here is an instance of the golf "eagle" a few
>>>>>> months earlier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Newspaper: Chester Times
>>>>>> Date: September 14, 1912,
>>>>>> Newspaper Location: Chester, Pennsylvania
>>>>>> Article: James Victor In Springhaven Golf
>>>>>> Page: 1
>>>>>> Column: 4
>>>>>> Database: NewspaperArchive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Begin excerpt]
>>>>>> On the out journey he
>>>>>> was two above par, but he played
>>>>>> the fourth, fifth, eighth, and ninth
>>>>>> holes in par, and had an "eagle" on
>>>>>> the seventh. This is a par five-hole
>>>>>> and he played it in three strokes.
>>>>>> [End excerpt]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Garson
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