"Albatross" (Golf)

Thu Apr 17 03:06:43 UTC 2014

The term "albatross" is used, as defined here, in Nintendo's Wii Sports
Resort gulf and frisbee gulf.  They don't  use the term "double eagle."

Herb

On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:

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> If one sinks an albatross, isn't it bad luck?
>
> Joel
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> At 4/16/2014 03:21 PM, Benjamin Torbert wrote:
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> >When I was a kid, people would refer to double eagle as 'albatross.'
> >They're extremely rare, occurring mostly on short par fives, or
> >occasionally on now-driveable par fours, and there have been about four of
> >them at Augusta.  I never hear that anymore, only 'double eagle.'  Double
> >eagle doesn't make any sense given what we do with holes played over par;
> >double bogey is twice as many strokes over par as bogey. Double eagle
> isn't
> >double the number of strokes under par that an eagle is; it's one more.
> >
> >Benjamin Torbert
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu
> >wrote:
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> > > Poster:       "Shapiro, Fred" <fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU>
> > > Subject:      Re: Antedating of "Eagle" (Golf)
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> > > Yes, Barry as usual has done a great job on this.
> > >
> > > A general comment:  I have long been interested in the terms "eagle,"
> > > "birdie," "par," "bogey," etc.  In particular, it is interesting that
> some
> > > of these terms have completely altered their meaning over time.
> > >
> > > Fred Shapiro
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > From: American Dialect Society [ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] on behalf of
> > > ADSGarson O'Toole [adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:00 PM
> > > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: Antedating of "Eagle" (Golf)
> > >
> > > Dan Goncharoff wrote:
> > > > Great finds, Garson!
> > > >
> > > > You have simultaneously confirmed the Atlantic City Country Club as
> the
> > > > source of Eagle and predated their own history of it by 13 years.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Dan. The information is intriguing. However, it should be
> > > emphasized that credit properly belongs to Barry Popik. He located the
> > > cites in January 1909, February 1909, and 1921 that were relayed to
> > > the ADS list in my previous message.
> > > Garson
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:14 AM, ADSGarson O'Toole <
> > > > adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> Subject:      Re: Antedating of "Eagle" (Golf)
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> > > >> Barry Popik shrewdly looked for the golf "eagle" in the excellent
> > > >> archive of sports publications at LA84.org and found earlier
> evidence
> > > >> which off-list he kindly shared. Garson
> > > >>
> > > >> Replying to Queries
> > > >> American Golfer, 1921, Vol. 24, Iss. 2, pgs. 22.
> > > >> ... Will you be good enough to en- lighten me on the meanings of the
> > > >> following: "Birdie," "Eagle," "Dormie" and '"Nassau"? B EGINNER .
> ...
> > > >> library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/AmericanGolfer/1921/ag242t.pdf
> > > >> ...
> > > >> [PDF] Around Philadelphia
> > > >> The American Golfer, by Hazard. 1909 January Vol. 1 No. 3 p.
> 124-128.
> > > >> ... Sometime after the hatching of the Birdie another fea- thered
> > > >> feature was given to golf=E2=80=94the Eagle, which soars even higher
> > > than=
> > > >  the
> > > >> Birdie and is ...
> > > >> library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/AmericanGolfer/1909/ag13j.pdf
> > > >> ...
> > > >> PDF] Around Philadelphia
> > > >> The American Golfer, by Hazard. 1909 February Vol. 1 No. 4 p.
> 196-200.
> > > >> ... At this critical point the doctor won the championship with an
> > > >> "Eagle"=E2=80=94a wonderful 3=E2=80=94although a "Bird" would have
> > > suffic=
> > > > ed. ...
> > > >> library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/AmericanGolfer/1909/ag14k.pdf
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:05 AM, ADSGarson O'Toole
> > > >> <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Fred Shapiro:
> > > >> >> eagle (OED, 1.d., 1922)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 1913 _L.A. Times_ 6 Feb. (ProQuest Historical Newspapers)  He
> made
> > > the
> > > >> long=3D
> > > >> >>  hole, No. 6 -- 629 yards -- in 4 (an "eagle," messieurs).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Excellent work, Fred. Here is an instance of the golf "eagle" a
> few
> > > >> > months earlier.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Newspaper: Chester Times
> > > >> > Date: September 14, 1912,
> > > >> > Newspaper Location: Chester, Pennsylvania
> > > >> > Article: James Victor In Springhaven Golf
> > > >> > Page: 1
> > > >> > Column: 4
> > > >> > Database: NewspaperArchive
> > > >> >
> > > >> > [Begin excerpt]
> > > >> > On the out journey he
> > > >> > was two above par, but he played
> > > >> > the fourth, fifth, eighth, and ninth
> > > >> > holes in par, and had an "eagle" on
> > > >> > the seventh. This is a par five-hole
> > > >> > and he played it in three strokes.
> > > >> > [End excerpt]
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Garson
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