"with Frances and me"

Randy Alexander strangeguitars at GMAIL.COM
Fri Aug 1 19:14:26 UTC 2014


There's also CGEL p463. If you like, I can scan the page and send it to you.

Randy
On Aug 1, 2014 11:07 AM, "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at att.net> wrote:

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> I often hear people say "<prep.> <someone> and I" (or, perhaps less
> frequently, "<trans. verb> <someone> and I") when the same speaker
> always correctly says "<prep.> me" (or "<trans. verb> me").  That is:
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> She came with Tom and I
> She came with me
> She told Tom and I to meet her at the bookstore.
> She told me to meet her at the bookstore.
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> Is there an authoritative explanation for this phenomenon?
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> Joel
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> At 7/31/2014 11:51 PM, Jocelyn Limpert wrote:
> >No -- you would say "with me" and not "with I."
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> >On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Shouldn't that be,
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> > > "with Frances and *I*"? :-( <jk>
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