"out of" = 'in'

[Jonathan Lighter]

To describe a person as "out of" somewhere instead of "from" it has always
grated on me. (I have the feeling it went mainstream only around 1980, but
it's just a feeling. And, yes, I know "aus" is normal in German.)

But at least people (like ships at sea) can move around.

University campuses cannot.

Yet.

JL


On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:

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> Isn't this also the long-time traditional introduction in (the more
> standard) boxing matches?  For its meaning, see
> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Fighting_Out_Of_Mean_in_UFC?#slide=1
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> Joel
>
> At 1/23/2014 08:22 AM, Charles C Doyle wrote:
> >In the introduction of pugilists who are about to compete in
> >"Ultimate Fighting" bouts (we all watch those, don't we?) a fuller
> >locution is customarily employed, which has struck me as especially
> >odd.  For example, "Fighting out of Athens, Georgia: Forrest Griffin."
> >
> >--Charlie
> >________________________________________
> >
> >
> >At 1/22/2014 05:45 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> > >No. Huge difference.
> > >
> > >The confident pace and inflection of the spoken utterance conveyed the
> > >unmistakable idea that "out of Norman" referred to the location of the
> > >University and not the origin of the story.
> > >
> > >Otherwise it would have been customary and journalistically idiomatic to
> > >have said, "[And now, breaking news] out of Norman, Oklahoma: [a report
> of]
> > >shots fired at the University of Oklahoma [there in Norman. That
> breaking
> > >news out of Norman, Oklahoma...]."
> > >
> > >Few newspeople seem to say "from" anywhere, if they can say "out of."
> > >  That's been true for many years.
> > >
> > >
> > >JL
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > > CNN reports "shots fired at the University of Oklahoma out of
> Norman,
> > > > > Oklahoma
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm...If you read, "CNN reports, out of Norman, Oklahoma, shots
> fired at
> > > > the University of Oklahoma," would you have said anything? Is there a
> > > > difference?
> > > >
> > > > DanG
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