Petro?q

[Tom Zurinskas]

The ADS needs to switch to a forum that actually works.  This email forum does not work.  Any ideas?

Tom Zurinskas, Conn 20 yrs, Tenn 3, NJ 33, now Fl 9.
See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk


> 
> ---------------------- Information from the mail header -----------------------
> Sender:       American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Poster:       Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject:      Re: Petro?q
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> To "Romanize" Cyrillic you need truespel phonetics to spell it so English r=
> eaders can say it.  Why convert it to a notation that does not get the pron=
> unciation right?Truespel conversion is after the tilde (~)
  Pe'tro=2C Pa'vlo=2C Dmi'tro=2C Lev'ko=2C Slav'ko=2C Hrits'ko=2C Yur'ko(stressed second syllable)
 ~Petrroe=2C ~Paavlloe=2C ~Dmeetrroe=2C ~Levkkoe~Slaavkkoe~Hreetskkoe~Yerkkoe

 Da'nilo=2C Ki'rilo=2C Mi'khailo  (stressed second syllable(
 ~Daanneeloe~Keerreeloe~Meexxaeloe
Assuming "r" is not flapped ~r.  If flapped use ~qAssuming ending "o" is long o ~oe=2C (as in go)Assuming "a" is ~aa (as in ah)Assuming "i" is ~ee (as in tree)Assuming "ur" is as in ~er (as in her) and not "long u" ~ue with ~qAssuming "kh" is flapped "k" ~xAssuming "ai" is long a ~ae (as in "hail") not long i (as in Taipei)
> Tom Zurinskas=2C Conn 20 yrs=2C Tenn 3=2C NJ 33=2C now Fl 9.
> See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk
> 
> 
> =20
> =20
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Tue=2C 10 Jun 2014 21:44:47 +0800
> > From: brewerwa at GMAIL.COM
> > Subject: Re: Petro?
> > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >=20
> > ---------------------- Information from the mail header -----------------=
> ------
> > Sender:       American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > Poster:       W Brewer <brewerwa at GMAIL.COM>
> > Subject:      Re: Petro?
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
> ------
> >=20
> > Progress report on <<Petro Oleksiyovych Poroshenko>>. CNN reporters are s=
> till
> > saying [PEH-troh] vs. Ukrainian [pih-TRO]. (IPA gets trashed here=2C of
> > course.). Getting IPA information on Ukrainian has proven a real challeng=
> e.
> >=20
> > Below=2C I romanize Cyrillic spellings to accommodate the Western reader.
> > Ukrainian website transcriptions are really awkward.
> >=20
> > S'S (disyllabic idionyms=2C stress on ultima):
> >=20
> >  Pe'tro=2C Pa'vlo=2C Dmi'tro=2C Lev'ko=2C Slav'ko=2C Hrits'ko=2C Yur'ko
> >=20
> > S'SS (trisyllabic idionyms=2C stress on penult):
> >=20
> > Da'nilo=2C Ki'rilo=2C Mi'khailo
> >=20
> > Ukrainian masculine names ending in <-o> are declined in the second
> > declension.
> >=20
> > E.g. Da'nilo (nominative)=2C Da'nila (probably genitive)=2C Da'nilu
> > (probably dative)=2C
> > Da'nilom (instrumental??).
> >=20
> >=20
> >   Saw today a CNN report on a Ukrainian cyberbot=2C that fooled interroga=
> tors
> > into thinking it was a 13-year-old human=2C by its consistent use of
> > indirection & deflection=3B very reminiscent of the responses I get from
> > <L imwitty>.
> > Hmm... Witty R Us.
> >=20
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
>                                           =
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
                                          
------------------------------------------------------------
The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org