which its = "whose"

[Laurence Horn]

Ah, I see the OED's entry at 14b, citing the same source inter alia:

Hence, in vulgar use, without any antecedent, as a mere connective or introductory particle.

1723   Swift Mary the Cook-maid's Let. 13   Which, and I am sure I have been his servant four years since October, And he never call'd me worse than sweetheart, drunk or sober.
1862   Thackeray Philip xvi,   ‘That noble young fellow’, says my general... Which noble his conduct I own it has been.
1870   B. Harte Truthful James, Answ. to Let. viii,   Which I have a small favor to ask you, As concerns a bull-pup, which the same,—If the duty would not overtask you,—You would please to procure for me, game.
1905   Daily Chron. 21 Oct. 4/7   If anything 'appens to you—which God be between you and 'arm—I'll look after the kids.

So is the current extended "mere connective or introductory particle" a revival of this?  I still feel as though the examples I'm not quite remembering are closer to "speaking of which", which "which" doesn't work too well as an introductory particle.  Although "By the way" may work pretty well too.

LH




On Jun 13, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:

> No fad.
>
> Bret Harte's once beloved "Plain Language from Truthful James" (1870)
> begins - begins, mind you -
>
> Which I wish to remark,
> And my language is plain,
> That for ways that are dark
> And for tricks that are vain,
> The heathen Chinee is peculiar.
>
> Accident? Not on your bippy. Later:
>
> Which we had a small game,
> And Ah Sin took a hand.
>
> Harte later called it "possibly the worst poem anyone ever wrote."
>
> It was, of course, frequently anthologized.
>
> JL
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> wrote:
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>> This reminds me (though is probably unrelated to) another extended use of
>> "which" as an unconnected headless relative (or maybe conjunction) I've
>> been noticing that I'm sure someone has described (Ben? Arnold? Neal?).
>> It's hard for me to remember instances, or find the ones I've jotted down,
>> but they're something like this (googled) example:
>>
>> so we're looking at my OKCupid profile, which I don't know why this is as
>> embarrassing as it is
>>
>> It might could be paraphrased as "speaking of which".  I tried searching
>> Language Log but only got a lot of posts on "which" vs. "that", not "which"
>> vs. "and", or whatever's going on here.
>>
>> Maybe it's a fad--must be the season of the "which".
>>
>> LH
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>>
>>> Long ago I mentioned the difficulty even  grad students in English had 30
>>> years ago with "whose" as a subordinating conjunction after something not
>>> human, as in "an idea whose time has come." (Some online grammarians now
>>> prefer the counter-rational "subordinate conjunction." Right.)
>>>
>>> One of the grotesque conjunctions the studes used was "which's."  Another
>>> was the perhaps genetically identical "which its."
>>>
>>> Now grownups use it:
>>>
>>>
>> http://cnn.org/2014/06/11/opinion/ben-ghiat-world-war-one/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
>>>
>>>
>>> "the Submarine was introduced in the 19th Century by the French called
>> the
>>> Plongeur, Which its designs were used by the Confederates to build the
>> H.L.
>>> Hunley"
>>>
>>> JL
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