Didn't as [dIdInt]
Neal Whitman
nwhitman at AMERITECH.NET
Wed Jun 25 02:28:54 UTC 2014
Oops, I forgot page 2. Here's the more-inclusive list:
Words where syllabic /n/ is optional:
* /nt/ Clinton, Boynton, Stanton, mountain, fountain, etc.
* /rnt/ Thornton
* /lt/ Milton, Elton
* /rlt/ Carlton (side note: On "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air," Will
Smith and his co-star between them use both the syllabic and
non-syllabic /n/ pronunciations for this character's name)
Words where syllabic /n/ is forbidden:
* /nd/ Linden, Landon, London, Blendon
* /rnd/ Herndon
* /ld/ Holden, Sheldon, Alden
* /rld/ Marledon (not a real name AFAIK, but I needed /rld/)
* /pt/ Lipton, Clapton
* /kt/ Acton, Stockton
* /gd/ Higdon
* /gzd/ Logsdon
* /ft/ Bluffton, Crofton, Cliffton, (courtesy of Dad) Tifton
* /st/ Easton, Boston, Westin
* /St/ Ashton
* /nst/ Winston, Dunston
* /lst/ Ralston, Ballston
* /kst/ Braxton
Words where syllabic /n/ is mandatory:
* /Vt/ Peyton, button, kitten, Wooton, etc.
* /rt/ Carton, Burton, Morton
* /rd/ pardon(?), cordon, burden
* /Vd/ Hayden, hidden, sodden, wooden, and these days who could forget
Jaden?
On 6/24/2014 9:57 PM, Neal Whitman wrote:
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> I've forwarded a number of entries in this thread to Dad, who responds:
>
> Well judging by all the responses you got, some other people have
> made the same observation as I did. I do say mount'n not moun-tain
> and fount'n intead of foun-tain, and some others I can't think of
> here and now, but I have never said didint or didunt or couldint or
> couldunt, and I've always said Mil-ton, not Milt'n. Here is a
> challenge though. There is a town named Tifton not far from Albany
> [Georgia]. No matter how I try, I can't say Tifton in the Milt'n
> fashion, only the Mil-ton way.
>
>
> I blogged about the related issue of /t/->[?] /__V[n] a few years back,
> before my sons' voices had changed:
> http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/doug-and-adam-say-peyton/.
> Around the same time, I was trying to see if there was a pattern in my
> own speech about when a final /tVn/ was realized with a syllabic [n],
> regardless of whether the /t/ turned into a glottal stop. Let's see if I
> can find my notes from back then...
>
>
> Words where syllabic /n/ is optional:
>
> * /nt/ Clinton, Boynton, Stanton, mountain, fountain, etc.
> * /rnt/ Thornton
> * /lt/ Milton, Elton
> * /rlt/ Carlton (side note: On "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air," Will
> Smith and his co-star between them use both the syllabic and
> non-syllabic /n/ pronunciations for this character's name)
>
>
> Words where syllabic /n/ is forbidden:
>
> * /nd/ Linden, Landon, London, Blendon
> * /rnd/ Herndon
> * /ld/ Holden, Sheldon, Alden
> * /rld/ Marledon (not a real name AFAIK, but I needed /rld/)
> * /pt/ Lipton, Clapton
> * /kt/ Acton, Stockton
> * /ft/ (courtesy of Dad) Tifton
>
>
> Words where syllabic /n/ is mandatory:
>
> * /Vt/ Peyton, button, kitten, Wooton, etc.
> * /Vd/ Hayden, hidden, sodden, wooden, and these days who could forget
> Jaden?
>
>
> I was trying to map out a story involving sequence gestures of glottis
> closure, velum raising or lowering, air pressure building behind tongue,
> but didn't come up with anything that explained all the data.
>
> Neal
>
> On 6/24/2014 3:54 PM, Wilson Gray wrote:
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>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've heard this only in very emphatic speech. And not often.
>>>
>> I've heard it in ordinary speech all the time for all of my life.
>> Fortunately for me, it's no more a pet peeve than "ain't" and is less
>> interesting than the multi-negative is. OTOH, the replacement of ordinary
>> "di-d-int" et sim. by "di-?-int" et sim. "bugs my head." At one time, the
>> only black person that I've ever met who used glo?al stop is the same guy
>> who pronounces "street" as "skreek." Unless you try to call it to his
>> attention, when he then says "street" and denies *vehemently* that "skreek"
>> is his normal pronunciation.
>>
>> IAC, then, his use of glo?al stop was merely part of his charm, like his
>> use of "skreek," until the use of it by *other* people became de rigueur in
>> hip-hop and rap and then spread into colloquial speech. Now, it's a pet
>> peeve.
>>
>> Youneverknow.
>>
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