salugi

Sat May 3 04:19:39 UTC 2014

HathiTrust has a first edition of "Champagne Before Breakfast" by Hy
Gardner copyright 1954 in full view.

http://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc1.$b134944
http://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc1.$b134944?urlappend=%3Bseq=320

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:57 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Here is a Google Books match for "salugi" in the appropriate sense
> although a ball was snatched instead of a cap. The year looks solid
> based on various sanity checks, but verification on paper is still
> required.
>
> Year: 1954
> Title: Champagne Before Breakfast
> Author: Hy Gardner
> Publisher: Henry Holt and Company, New York
> Page 302
> (Google Books snippet data may be inaccurate; worldcat agrees with
> year; a snippet shows a copyright notice with year 1954)
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=gq8_AAAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=salugi
>
> [Begin excerpt visible in snippet]
> I miss the sound of skates scraping over pavements . . . the shout,
> "Ringaleavyo," or however they spelled it . . . The yell "salugi" when
> one kid stole your ball and teased you by tossing it to anyone but its
> owner . . . The welcome tinkle of an agate striking an immie in
> competitive marble games...
> [End execerpt]
>
> Garson
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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>> Subject:      Re: salugi
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>> On May 2, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
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>>> The Files contain a printed example of "salugi" from a 1956 bestseller
>>> about Brooklyn. It refers to the 1940s.
>>>
>>> 1956 Gerald Green _The Last Angry Man_  207 [rpt. N.Y.: Pocket Books,
>>> 1972]: They had seized the tan derby of one of their number...[and] were
>>> tossing it around in a wild game of _salugi_.
>>>
>>> Green was born in 1922.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, you can tell.  Our wild saluggis didn't involve tan derbies, more like baseball caps and gloves.
>>
>> L
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>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>> Mr. Samuel Solomon of Forest Hills wrote to Hy Gardner's column in the
>>>> Philadelphia Inquirer (Dec. 27, 1961), p. 13 to reminisce about "the good
>>>> old days":
>>>>
>>>> "When New York City policemen wore a high, round grey helmet...When streets
>>>> had lampposts lit by a man with a long stick...When we played the
>>>> frustrating game of salugi, or however you spelled it. A toughie from
>>>> another neighborhood would steal your ball, then taunt you by throwing it
>>>> to everyone but you."
>>>>
>>>> (A tip o' the Saluggi hat to  http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html  !)
>>>>
>>>> My grandparents used to reminisce about the same things - except for the
>>>> saluggi part, though my recollection is that my grandfather (b. 1884) was
>>>> thoroughly familiar with the concept if not the word.
>>>>
>>>> The word "toughie" alone and the past tense of "spell" are almost enough to
>>>> persuade me that Sam was relating a genuine memory of the ancient world.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that the virtual absence of this word in print is due to the
>>>> difficulty of spelling it convincingly.
>>>>
>>>> A more chilling possibility is that in any era, the spoken vocabulary has
>>>> little to do with its printed cousin.  So give up on historical
>>>> dictionaries.
>>>>
>>>> (The Old Fulton search function turned up a circa 1905 "Anti-Salooji
>>>> League," but it was only a bad scan.)
>>>>
>>>> JL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:47 PM, David Barnhart <dbarnhart at highlands.com
>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> With his pugnacious, street-tough manner, Buchanan looks as if he spent
>>>> his
>>>>> youth standing outside yeshivas and tormenting the Hebrew students by
>>>>> playing salugi with their yarmulkes. Lars-Erik Nelson, "Dole's Feeling A
>>>>> Pat
>>>>> On Back Republicans Fear A Loose Bucannon," Daily News [New York]
>>>> (Nexis),
>>>>> Feb. 13, 1996, p 2
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