[Ads-l] "All art is propaganda."

[Dan Goncharoff]

So do we credit the phrase to Guy Pene du Bois?

DanG

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 1:02 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole <
adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Here is a precursor to Upton Sinclair's statement in 1918 expressed
> tentatively instead of emphatically.
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> Issue Date: February 1918
> Periodical: Arts & Decoration
> Article: Notes of the Studies and Galleries,
> Star Page 165, Quote Page 165,
> Publisher: Dexter W. Hewitt at Adam Budge, Inc.
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> http://books.google.com/books?id=hhbnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22if+all+art%22#v=snippet&
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> Yet we sometimes wonder if all art is not propaganda--political or
> spiritual and always egotistic.
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> Garson
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> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Jonathan Lighter
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> > That occurred to me too, but I don't see a ref. in GB or Hathi.
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> > Prob. Marx said something more prolix.
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> > JL
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> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> >> At 11/15/2014 04:57 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
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> >> >Not in YBQ, but it gets 30,000 raw Googlits.  I recently read it in a
> >> movie
> >> >review.
> >> >
> >> >1925 Upton Sinclair _Mammonart_ (Pasadena: pub. by the author) 9: All
> art
> >> >is propaganda. It is universally and inescapably propaganda; sometimes
> >> >unconsciously, but often deliberately, propaganda.
> >> >
> >> >Rather a dilute meaning of "propaganda," wouldn't you say? The relevant
> >> OED
> >> >def. is
> >> >
> >> >"The systematic dissemination of information, esp. in a biased or
> >> >misleading way, in order to promote a political cause or point of view.
> >> >Also: information disseminated in this way; the means or media by which
> >> >such ideas are disseminated."
> >> >
> >> >Sinclair seems to mean rather that all art exerts some influence on
> >> >beliefs, willy-nilly.  As dothose who repeat the assertion (usu.
> without
> >> >attribution).
> >>
> >> Sinclair was a utopian, left-wing, progressive Democrat, Socialist,
> >> Wobbly-supporting pinko, wasn't he?  "All art is propaganda" is
> >> something I could imagine said by Karl Marx.
> >>
> >> Joel
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> >> >Factoid:  Wackipedia calls the book-length essay _Mammonart_ a "novel."
> >> >
> >> >JL
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