[Ads-l] Pope Francis Quote

[Shapiro, Fred]

No problem, Beth, and I am very appreciative of the helpful efforts by you and all the others who have posted.  I was struck not so much by your not noticing it was an old quote, but rather by the fact that no one seemed to notice this.

Fred Shapiro



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From: American Dialect Society [ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] on behalf of Beth Young [zbyoung at GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:44 AM
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Subject: Re: Pope Francis Quote

I apologize for sending an old quote. I was looking for a more recent
quote by the pope, stumbled across that more pithy one right before I
was interrupted by something else, and sent it without checking the
date.

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 19, 2014, at 7:37 AM, "Shapiro, Fred" <fred.shapiro at yale.edu> wrote:

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> Just to be super-clear, this was a July 2013 quote, not a December 2013 quo=
> te too late to make last year's list.=0A=
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> I apologize for my coyness concerning why Pope Francis's "who am I to judge=
> " quote is not eligible for my 2014 list of notable quotations of the year,=
> and I hope this did not come across as obnoxiousness toward the people on =
> this list who have been so helpful to me this year and in the past.  But I =
> thought it was very obvious, from the 2013 date in Beth's original link and=
> the words accompanying that link ("With those five words, spoken in late J=
> uly in reply to a reporter's question about the status of gay priests in th=
> e Church ..."), that this was a 2013 quote.=0A=
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> Indeed, we discussed this quote, as a QOTY candidate, on this list in Augus=
> t 2013.  I reproduce my posting below, in order to indicate that I had anot=
> her reason for not using this quote, namely that I was skeptical that Franc=
> is's words signalled any kind of major change in Church policy toward homos=
> exuals.  It is still not clear that there has been any major substantive ch=
> ange; it may be that Francis is merely putting a humane face on the same ol=
> d doctrines and policies.  I hope that is not the case.=0A=
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> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu> wrot=
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>>> "Se una persona =E8 gay e cerca il Signore e ha buona volont=E0, ma chi=
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>>> sono io per giudicarla?" ("If someone is gay and is searching for the=0A=
>>> Lord and has good will, then who am I to judge him?") -- Pope Francis,=0A=
>>> July 28, 2013=0A=
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>> Others have suggested this quotation to me as a candidate for one of the =
> most notable quotations of the year.  I would consider it as such if I beli=
> eved it signaled some major change in the Church's attitudes toward homosex=
> uality, but I have not regarded it as a serious candidate because I don't e=
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