get one's goat (1906)

Fri Oct 3 18:08:10 UTC 2014

Warning: The date given by the NewspaperArchive database for the Kid
McCoy article is probably incorrect. The page with the article is not
dated, so I examined adjacent pages and found the date December 7,
1908. That is probably the correct date. So the article I posted does
not antedate the known cites.
Apologies,
Garson

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:51 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Here is an instance of "get his goat" in the boxing domain from Kid
> McCoy in 1903.
>
> Date: December 5, 1903,
> Newspaper: Indianapolis Sun
> Newspaper Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
> Section: Sports
> Article: Kid M'Coy Tells of His Recent Fight with Jim Stewart
> Author: Norman Selby (Charles (Kid) McCoy)
> Page Unnumber; Page 25 (according to NewspaperArchive)
> Column 2
> Database NewspaperArchive
>
> [Begin excerpt]
> I made a grievous mistake at the be-
> ginning of that fight. I started out to
> "get his goat," so to speak, and I suc-
> ceeded only too well. Stewart was so
> frightened that he wouldn't fight. I ex-
> pected him to come to me, and if he
> had he would have been knocked out, but
> he was so thoroughly scared after I
> knocked him down, and so completely
> overawed by my reputation, that he
> would not come to me - he would not, for
> even a moment, be on the aggressive.
> [End excerpt]
>
> Garson
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> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu> wrote:
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>> 1904 maybe relevant=0A=
>> "Aha, my boy. That got your goat....Got hisn goat is right..."=0A=
>> http://books.google.com/books?id=3DisAYAQAAIAAJ&pg=3DRA1-PA54&dq=3D%22got+y=
>> our+goat%22&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ei=3DmNsuVLKHAojlsASlioK4Aw&ved=3D0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=
>> =3Donepage&q=3D%22got%20your%20goat%22&f=3Dfalse=0A=
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>> From: American Dialect Society on behalf of Stephen Goranson =0A=
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>> Subject: Re: [ADS-L] get one's goat (1906)=0A=
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>> 1905, Oct. 28, possibly relevant:=0A=
>> "If that don't get my goat!..." [The scan is not great: the ! and the conte=
>> xt is not especially clear.]=0A=
>> Colliers p. 30=0A=
>> http://books.google.com/books?id=3DUX81AQAAMAAJ&pg=3DPA30-IA22&dq=3D%22get+=
>> my+goat%22&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ei=3DLNUuVM2gLqnjsASGzoHwDg&ved=3D0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=
>> =3Donepage&q=3D%22get%20my%20goat%22&f=3Dfalse=0A=
>> =0A=
>> Stephen Goranson=0A=
>> http://people.duke.edu/~goranson/=0A=
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>> From: American Dialect Society  on behalf of Ben Zimmer=0A=
>> Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 12:38 PM=0A=
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>> Subject: [ADS-L] get one's goat (1906)=0A=
>> =0A=
>> The mysterious origins of "get one's goat" came up on Twitter=0A=
>> recently. HDAS and GDoS both start with "goat" glossed as "anger" in=0A=
>> _Life in Sing Sing_ (1904) and have cites for the full phrase starting=0A=
>> in 1908. I was able to find a few cites from 1906 in the Genealogy=0A=
>> Bank archive.=0A=
>> =0A=
>> 1906 June 2 _Jersey Journal_ 3/3 (head & text) Colored Man "Got His=0A=
>> Goat." But There Was a Real Goat in It, Too, and Carmody Butted Into=0A=
>> Trouble. "Judge, he got my goat," said William Carmody, 23 years old,=0A=
>> of 302 Second Street, Hoboken, when arraigned before Judge Higgins in=0A=
>> the First Criminal Court on a charge of atrocious assault and battery,=0A=
>> preferred by John Bailey, colored, of 276 Eleventh Street.=0A=
>> =0A=
>> 1906 Sept 7  _Daily People_ (New York, NY) 2/3 Something or other I=0A=
>> said in my criticism of Raiser's letter of the 14th instant must have=0A=
>> "got his goat."=0A=
>> =0A=
>> 1906 Nov 23 _Wilkes-Barre (Penn.) Times_ 7/1 "Step on the old man's=0A=
>> feet," said the Kid [sc. Kid McCoy to Jack O'Brien]. "His feet are in=0A=
>> the cornfield, and you will get his goat more by keeping on top of=0A=
>> them all the time than by stabbing him in the food chopper."=0A=
>> =0A=
>> The first cite above is about a case involving an actual goat, but the=0A=
>> headline indicates that readers would appreciate the double entendre.=0A=
>> The same is true of this later cite, also from the Jersey Journal:=0A=
>> =0A=
>> 1907 Dec 14 _Jersey Journal_ 3/3 It is easy to "get the goat" of the=0A=
>> police of the Second Precinct now, for locked up in a cell at the=0A=
>> Seventh Street police station is a "Nannie" that was arrested by=0A=
>> Roundsman Sniffen for her obstreperous conduct in Jersey Avenue=0A=
>> yesterday.=0A=
>> =0A=
>> The 11/23/06 cite suggests the expression was in common use in the=0A=
>> boxing world. See also the boxing-related treatment of the phrase in=0A=
>> Richard Barry's "The Prize Ring" (Pearson's Magazine, July 1910):=0A=
>> =0A=
>> http://books.google.com/books?id=3DPm8-AQAAMAAJ&pg=3DPA6=0A=
>> =0A=
>> Here is Barry's explanation of the origin:=0A=
>> =0A=
>> "Originally this phrase was racing slang. To keep a racehorse from=0A=
>> going stale a trainer frequently quarters with him a goat, for the pet=0A=
>> relieves the thoroughbred of his loneliness. But intriguers have found=0A=
>> that by stealing a goat from a horse a day or two before a great race=0A=
>> he can be thrown out of condition. The loss of his favorite companion=0A=
>> annoys the horse and he goes into the big event in a highly feminized=0A=
>> state of nerves. So, to 'get his goat' is to remove his confidence."=0A=
>> =0A=
>> Like Michael Quinion, I find the horse-racing story rather dubious,=0A=
>> but it's notable that this explanation was given quite early on.=0A=
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>> http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-get1.htm=0A=
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>> If I had to guess, I'd say "goat" developed as an alteration of "goad"=0A=
>> (note that _Life in Sing Sing_ glosses "goat" not just as "anger" but=0A=
>> "to exasperate") -- for comic effect, or maybe as a kind of prison=0A=
>> code.=0A=
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>> --bgz=0A=
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>> Ben Zimmer=0A=
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