[Ads-l] "paddy wagon" antedated

Mon Apr 13 19:54:09 UTC 2015

James Yorkston's "Cockles and Mussels," however, appears to have been
written in Edinburgh in 1884.

Wackipedia asserts that it appeared a year earlier in Harvard man W. H.
Hills's "Student Songs," but that edition seems not to be available. The
song does appear in the 1884 ed.

There is no evidence of its existence earlier, despite the ballyhooed
discovery of the name "Molly Malone" in a song of 1791.

JL

JL

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Doesn't Molly Malone continue to push her wheelbarrow after she dies?
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> "She died of a fever and no one could save her
> And that was the end of sweet Molly Malone
> Now her ghost wheels her barrow through streets broad and narrow
> Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O! "
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> On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 10:33 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole <
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> > Here are some complementary matches for "Paddy's wheelbarrow". The
> > 1874 text is odd. Perhaps circa 1874 there was an anecdote circulating
> > that involved a ghost?
> >
> > Year: 1874
> > Title: Minutes of the Wisconsin Annual Conference of the Methodist
> > Episcopal Church
> > Conference location: Held at Oshkosh, Wisconsin
> > Conference date: October 7 to 15, 1874
> > Publisher: Methodist Episcopal Church, Wisconsin Conference
> > Printer: Statesman Book and Job Printing Office, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
> > Section: Advertising
> > Description: Advertisement from Wolcott & Gregg, Milwaukee
> > Quote Page 52
> >
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=jVzUAAAAMAAJ&q=ghosts#v=snippet&
> >
> > [Begin excerept]
> > Not only a nice carriage, fit for a smooth road; but, like Paddy's
> > wheelbarrow, not afraid of ghosts.
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> >
> > Year: 1906 November 1
> > Title: Gleanings in Bee Culture
> > Volume 34
> > Publisher: A. I. Root Company, Medina, Ohio
> > Article: Concrete Bee-Cellars
> > Author: E. R. Root
> > Start Page 1363, Quote Page 1367
> >
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=pw82AQAAMAAJ&q=Paddy%27s#v=snippet&
> >
> > [Begin excerpt]
> > On a large job, dump the wet concrete into a Paddy's wheelbarrow, and
> > then pour it in the form as shown in the illustrations. On a small job
> > like a bee-cellar, mix the concrete in the cellar itself . . .
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> > Garson
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> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu>
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> > > 1850 (c.1849) Ralph Waldo Emerson, Representative Men: Seven Lectures.
> > Uses=
> > >  of Great Men. Page 35:
> > > 'Generous and handsome,' he says, 'is your hero; but look at yonder
> poor
> > Pa=
> > > ddy, whose country is his wheelbarrow;...."
> > >
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> > >
> > > Fascinating.
> > >
> > > I have seen 19th C. cartoons that depict victims of a donnybrook being
> > > hauled away semiconscious in a wheelbarrow. Hence "paddy wagon."
> > >
> > > Since 19th C. police in Boston and NY were also stereotypically
> Irish....
> > >
> > > My grandparents (b. NYC in the 1880s) used the word exclusively in the
> > > modern (er, I mean "more recent") sense.
> > >
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu>
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> > >> Though "paddy wagon" came to be associated with police vehicles, some
> > >> early=3D
> > >>  uses associate it with wheelbarrows. OED (via Sam Clements) has 1909
> > for
> > >> "=3D
> > >> paddy wagon."
> > >> Two newspapers via
> > >> http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/
> > >> involve election bets where the loser must ride in a wheelbarrow.
> > >> 1908, May 29. St. John's Review [Ont.]
> > >> "There is a Paddy-wagon ride coming in any event."
> > >> 1896, Nov 8. Houston Daily Post
> > >> "Sioux in a Paddy Wagon" [headline]
> > >> 1868, Nov. 5 Milwaukee Daily Sentinel [19th. c. news.]
> > "Wheelbarrow...one
> > >> l=3D
> > >> ittle thought its symmetrical proportions deserved the vulgar epithet
> of
> > >> "p=3D
> > >> addy wagon" of a by-standing Democrat of the old school."
> > >> Three more from Milwaukee Daily Sentinel: December 6, 1869  [Two men,
> > >> recen=3D
> > >> t arrivals, charged with drunkenness] "having just come across the
> > >> Herring-=3D
> > >> pond in a Dutch shallop on wheels [sic]. The assertion the the boat
> was
> > a
> > >> p=3D
> > >> addy-wagon, and its occupants Fenianers, is groundless, [disproved by
> > >> their=3D
> > >>  names]
> > >> June 29, 1872  "... borrowed a wheelbarrow....accordingly wheeled to
> > town
> > >> a=3D
> > >> nd barrowed into the station [and] ...court room.His little scheme to
> > >> becom=3D
> > >> e possessed of a "paddy wagon" of the first order led to an expense of
> > $1=
> > > 5
> > >> =3D
> > >> and costs."
> > >> July 12, 1876 "William Brotherhood mourns the loss of a one-wheeled
> > >> carriag=3D
> > >> e of the pattern known as a "paddy-wagon." The bow wheeler was
> > stolen....=
> > > "
> > >>
> > >> Gleanings in Bee Culture 1903, Dec. 1 v. 31, page 1021 [Google Books]
> > "Tr=
> > > y
> > >> =3D
> > >> the experiment some time with a small paddy wheelbarrow, with a small
> > >> wheel=3D
> > >> , and then with a modern wheelbarrow with a large wheel."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Stephen Goranson
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