[Ads-l] "No Irish need apply" (UNCLASSIFIED)

Tue Aug 4 17:20:19 UTC 2015

Presumably an exhaustive search for the phrase "No Irish" would uncover
additional relevant examples.

For bigoted employers in cities with large Irish populations, where many
Irish applicants might respond to an ad, such notices would only make
sense.  Why encourage applicants who would automatically be turned away?

JL

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> > it is incredible that Jensen continues to denigrate her findings
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> I detect unwarranted assumptions behind this statement - of exactly the
> kind I used to make before I was wised up.
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> JL
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> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Mullins, Bill CIV (US) <
> william.d.mullins18.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
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> > Subject:      Re: "No Irish need apply" (UNCLASSIFIED)
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> > I contacted Ms. Fried and she sent me a link to an accessible copy of her
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> > rticle.  It is very nicely done, and it is incredible that Jensen
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> >  to denigrate her findings:
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/this-14-year-old-sidwell-frie=
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> > I've asked her for permission to share the link to the article on this
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> > , and invited her to register and participate.
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> > When I was fourteen, I spent my time reading comic books and watching the
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> > Six Million Dollar Man".  She is amazing.
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> > > Jensen's original article is available here:
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> > > http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm
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> > > I can't find Fried's rebuttal article, except behind a (rather
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> > > aywall:
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> http://intl-jsh.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/07/03/jsh.shv066.fu=
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> > > (and, btw, Fried's title, "No Irish Need Deny", is great)
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> > > Does anyone have contact info for Fried that I can ask her to send a
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> > > Of Jesse Sheidlower
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> > > > Slightly off-topic, but interesting: In 2002, a professor published
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> > > ticle claiming that he could barely find any evidence for the supposed
> > > > notices reading "No Irish need apply", and that the notion that the
> > Iri=
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> > >  were thus discriminated against stemmed from a sense of
> > > > victimhood among modern Irish-Americans.
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> > > > A high-school student with better database-fu has no proved that, in
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> > > , there were many such notices. The student's article is appearing
> > > > in a major journal.
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> > http://www.longislandwins.com/columns/detail/high_school_student_proves=
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