[Ads-l] "off the cuff" antedated to 1934 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Mullins, Bill CIV (US) william.d.mullins18.civ at MAIL.MIL
Mon Feb 23 19:28:43 UTC 2015


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Yes it does.

I wasn't aware of that meaning until I looked the phrase up in OED (after I posted).

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> The 1925 ex. seems unusually  to mean "out of debt."  ("On the cuff" =
> 'on
> credit.')
> 
> JL
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> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Mullins, Bill CIV (US) <
> william.d.mullins18.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
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> > _Variety_ 29 Apr 1925 p 21 col 4
> > [review of theatrical show]
> > "Didn't have a chance and producer and theater were smart enough to
> go
> > afte= r the two for ones.  Kept house from going dark and will just
> > about get off=  the cuff."
> >
> > _Photoplay_ Apr 1926 pp 50-51
> > "Mickey Neilan was some seven hours late on his set one day.  And the
> > compa= ny waited and shivered -- and then shivered and waited some
> > more.
> > "Must have lost his script," hazarded a member of the cast.
> > "Sure," says the prop boy.  "Must have lost his script and is now
> > hunting t= hrough all the shirts in the Hollywood laundry to find
> it."
> > (You see, Mickey Neilan is famous for being one of the few surviving
> > direct= ors who "shoot from the cuff" -- which means the only script
> > he ever has is=  what's in his head, aided by an occasional note on
> > his cuff.)"
> >
> > _Hollywood Vagabond_ 28 Apr 1927 p 5 col 3 "We don't get out here in
> > the lights and then try to find out what's going = to happen.  We
> read
> > the script, know the story and throw the script away.
> > =
> > Then we come out on the set and shoot it off the cuff."
> >
> > _The Film Daily_ 11 May 1930 p 5 col 2
> >
> > "Credit Roy Mack of the Vitaphone studio with the one about the
> > director wh= o was shooting off the cuff and moaned that he had
> washed
> > his shirt and los= t the script."
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> > > John Baker posted some valuable material to the ADS list in 2012 on
> > >the  "off the cuff" topic:
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> > > http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2012-
> > > August/121540.html
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> > > I found some cites for "shoot from the cuff" starting in July 17,
> 1927:
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> > > http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2012-
> > > August/121545.html
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> > > Garson
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> > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Stephen Goranson
> > ><goranson at duke.edu>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > =3D0A=3D
> > > > =3D0A=3D
> > > > July 31, 1932. Times-Picayune [New Orleans], Section 2, p. 5,
> col. 1.
> > > > Headl=3D
> > > > ine: Movie Formula Revived with Uproar Unknown to
> Silents.=3D0A=3D
> > > > =3D85."you never know where a picture is going these
> > days"=3D85."Right,=
> > "
> > > > he [a =3D studio head] beamed,"it was shot right off the cuff
> > > > every morning=3D85isn't t=3D hat phenomenal?" [The same paper has
> > > > an iffy
> > Sep=
> > t.
> > > > 1, 1929 use: "=3D85.I pick=3D ed one off the cuff and gave it to
> > > > him
> > fo=
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> > > > free."=3D96horse racing tip.]=3D0A=3D =3D0A=3D
> > > > ________________________________________=3D0A=3D
> > > > From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf
> > > > of Stephe=3D n Goranson <goranson at DUKE.EDU>=3D0A=3D
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:48 AM=3D0A=3D
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> > > > Subject: [ADS-L] "off the cuff" antedated to 1934=3D0A=3D
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> > > > The previous earliest mentioned was Aug. 16, 1936 (discussed at
> > > > Language Lo=3D g and Early Sports and Pop Culture History
> > > > Blog).=3D0A=3D =3D0A=
> > =3D Gene
> > > > Fowler, Father Goose The Story of Mack Sennett (NY: Covici,
> > > > Friede, 19=3D
> > > > 34) page 147:=3D0A=3D
> > > > He set up his cameras with showmanlike haste and began shooting
> > > > extemporane=3D ously-, or, "off the cuff."=3D0A=3D
> > > >
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> http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=3D3Dmdp.39015003982835;view=3D3D
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