[Ads-l] It's an intrusive L!

Fri Jul 3 18:45:15 UTC 2015

Also, both CAVALRY and CALVARY have to do with mounts.

Easily confused . . . .

Charlie

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AFAIK, I wasn't aware of the hill Calvary, but I get calvary mixed up
with cavalry. On those two or three occasions in my life when I write
the word, I look it up. BB

> Charles C Doyle <mailto:cdoyle at UGA.EDU>
> July 3, 2015 at 8:33 AM
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> I would take "calvary" (in the mounted troops sense) to be largely the resu=
> lt of unconscious "folk" etymology (so-called).
>
> Isn't it mainly Christians who say "calvary" in that sense?
>
> --Charlie
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>> On Jul 3, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Lighter<wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>  =
> =3D
> wrote:
>> =3D20
>> Reminds me again of the aforementioned "calvary" (which I keep seeing =3D
> in
>> print), which features an intrusive and an elided / l /.
>> =3D20
>> JL
>
> I'd put metatheses of the "calvary"/"cavalry" or "irrevalent" kind into =3D
> a different bag from the intrusive L of "the reason why(-l-)it works", =3D
> "draw(l)ing", or "how(l) it works", or the intrusive R of "I saw(r) a =3D
> film today oh boy" (from the Beatles' A Day in the Life--an example I =3D
> hadn't noticed before reading the wiki entry on intrusive/linking R).  I =
> =3D
> think my reluctance to collapse the two phenomena is that I suspect a =3D
> difference in motivation.
>
> LH
>> =3D20
>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Dave Hause<dwhause at cablemo.net>  =3D
> wrote:
>> =3D20
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>>> Which, of course, should have been a reply to Wilson.
>>> Dave
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>>> =3D20
>>> AH, thank you.  Now I know what is happening when my friend says, =3D
> "howl it
>>> works."
>>> Dave Hause
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>>> From: Laurence Horn
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:13 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: It's an intrusive L!
>>> =3D20
>>>> On Jul 2, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Wilson Gray<hwgray at GMAIL.COM>  wrote:
>>>> =3D3D20
>>>> For dekkids, I've heard Fats Domino sing:
>>>> =3D3D20
>>>> I'm walking to New Orleans
>>>> New Orleans is my home
>>>> That's the reason, while I'm going
>>>> I'm walking to New Orleans
>>>> =3D3D20
>>>> And, during that time, I've attempted to winkle out to meaning of =3D
> the =3D3D
>>> third
>>>> line,
>>>> =3D3D20
>>>> "That's the reason, _while_ I'm going."
>>>> =3D3D20
>>>> In a sudden, blazing flash of insight, I've come to realize that =3D
> what =3D3D
>>> we
>>>> have here is a failure to recognize the insertion of an intrusive L =3D
> to
>>>> break up the hiatus between the preceding (IPA) [a] of "why" and the
>>>> following (IPA) [a] of "I," instead of the more-common intrusive R
>>> =3D20
>>> More common to be sure, although as I noted a couple of years back =3D
> the L =3D3D
>>> is also a feature of Philadelphia-area (working class?) accent, and =3D3=
> D=3D
>
>>> nicely illustrated by Patti Smith in her reading of her memoir _Just =3D
> =3D3D
>>> Kids_, about the years she spent with Robert Mapplethorpe, who did a =3D
> lot =3D3D
>>> of "drawling" (the kind that involves sketch pads and charcoal =3D
> pencils).
>>> =3D20
>>>> or even
>>>> the nearly-standard glo?al onset/glo?al catch. Hence, the correct =3D3D
>>> reading
>>>> of the third line is,
>>>> =3D3D20
>>>> "That's the reason _why_ I'm going."
>>>> =3D3D20
>>>> It's obvious.
>>> =3D20
>>> and confirmed by=3D3D20
>>> =3D
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3D3Dhttps-3A__www.youtube.com_wa=
> t=3D
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>>> =3D20
>>> At 1:35 you can here Fats's intrusive L as the corresponding lyrics =3D3=
> D=3D
>
>>> scroll on by.
>>> =3D20
>>> Takes me back, but the next one it segues to,
>>> =3D
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>>> does even more so.  Hearing that barrelhouse piano intro, waiting to =3D
> =3D3D
>>> find that thrill--ah, to be 14 again. =3D3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> LH
>>> =3D20
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