[Ads-l] "come the guy gugles over" (after: to come the "shenanegin" over him)

[Dan Goncharoff]

First thing I thought of was the story of La Gargouille, the source of the
word 'gargoyle'.  La Gargouille is a dragon that is subdued by St. Romanus.

DanG

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu> wrote:

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> Subject:      "come the guy gugles over" (after: to come the "shenanegin"
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> After finding an 1854 antedating "to come the 'shenanegin' over him," I
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> nd [on GB] an 1888 "you cannot come no such a 'shenanigan' over me" and a
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> eprint of a western novel by Edward Ellis (1840-1916?) "they warn't going
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> o come any shenanigan over me."
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> Then I looked a bit into the pattern "come [the] ____ over" and found
> sever=
> al uses online and in HDAS, DARE, Farmers, Chambers, etc., including "come
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> the old soldier/sergeant/Stoic/possum/giraffe/gum game/Cerro
> Gordo/Paddy/ma=
> ster/etc. over)
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> Among the more puzzling were two quotations of a phrase new to me. I have
> s=
> ome guesses, but I'll post it as a question. What do you think it means?
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> nd do you know other such texts?)
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> 1) Ef he onst gits his paw on ye, yer a gone tad-pole, and the only way to
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> come the guy-gugles over him, is to be prepared aforehand and soap yer
> tail=
> !
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> Daily Advocate March 31, 1854 p.1 Baton Rouge LA [AHN]
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> 2) You can't come the guy gugles over me, so you needn't try it on. I am a
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> free American citizen, and I'll bust the head of that grinning chap from
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> wa, if he don't shut up his fly-trap.
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> Published in several 1966-7 newspapers , e.g. Idaho Statesman 01-12-1867,
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> and quoted in Tammany Hall by M. R. Lerner (1968) p. 91 [GB, checked on
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> er]
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> Stephen Goranson
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