[Ads-l] Yale Grammatical Diversity Project - Slate

[Laurence Horn]

> On Jun 29, 2015, at 8:28 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu> wrote:
> 
> I had to repunctuate and emend the last sentence to make sense of it:
> 
> Often, such judgments are the result of recency or incorrectness illusions;
> the assumption that a nonstandard expression is nascent [? -- "recent'],
> when in fact it has been around for decades; or just wrong.
> 
> GAT

Two points:
1) I think the writer was trying to avoid using "recent" right after "recency", but of course "nascent" doesn't mean "recent", even though they sound similar.
2) Yes, as George says, I surmise what the writer meant was "Often such judgments are [...] or just wrong", the "wrong" aiming to modify the judgments (whence "incorrectness illusion", paralleling Arnold's "recency illusion"), not "a nonstandard expression".  

We did ask to be able to proofread the piece before it was posted, but (as is standard practice) this was not allowed. 

LH


> 
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I have no idea why I'm supposed to come again. This is an article about a
>> project that Laurence Horn is involved in if that helps. BB
>> 
>> Wilson Gray <mailto:hwgray at GMAIL.COM>
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>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Benjamin Barrett<gogaku at ix.netcom.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>> According to Zanuttini and Horn, the negative reactions many people have
>>>> to, say, Appalachian varieties of English are not inherent reactions to
>>>> grammar or word order but rather =E2=80=9Cpersonal judgments about the
>>>> sp=
>>>> 
>>> eakers
>>> 
>>>> who use them.=E2=80=9D Often, such judgments are the result of recency or
>>>> incorrectness illusions, the assumption that a nonstandard expression is
>>>> nascent, when in fact it has been around for decades, or just wrong.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Come again?
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>>> Caroline Zola discusses the project in "Documenting the Diversity of
>>> American English."
>>> 
>>> One snippet:
>>> 
>>> =====
>>> According to Zanuttini and Horn, the negative reactions many people have
>>> to, say, Appalachian varieties of English are not inherent reactions to
>>> grammar or word order but rather âEURoepersonal judgments about the
>>> speakers
>>> who use them.âEUR? Often, such judgments are the result of recency or
>>> incorrectness illusions, the assumption that a nonstandard expression is
>>> nascent, when in fact it has been around for decades, or just wrong.
>>> =====
>>> 
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