[Ads-l] slander

Thu Nov 26 18:22:33 UTC 2015

> Yes, but do they identify themselves as "big history fans"?

They're *Scientific* Creationists.

So they're big fans of Science.  Some have degrees in...

Science.

JL

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

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> > On Nov 26, 2015, at 10:31 AM, Jonathan Lighter =
> <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> > Creationists have been using the "You don't know, you weren't there"
> > principle for years to blow Evolutionary Theory out of the water.
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> > JL
>
> Yes, but do they identify themselves as "big history fans"?  I guess, =
> given his cheering-on-9/11 tales, the Donald can boast that his memory =
> is so good he can even remember things that didn't happen, as well as =
> infer things that must have.
>
> LH
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> > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Laurence Horn =
> <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> > wrote:
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> >>> On Nov 26, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Jonathan Lighter =
> <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> =3D
> >> wrote:
> >>> =3D20
> >>> 'To exploit cynically in words; insult through verbal cynicism.'
> >>> =3D20
> >>> Probably another ex. of the best word that would fit into a =
> headline.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> Since the plaque claims to honor soldiers, it can't be "slanderous":
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> Trump's Lies Slander Civil War Dead
> >>> =3D20
> >>> ...The New York Times reports that the outspoken Republican =3D
> >> candidate=3DE2=3D80=3D99s
> >>> golf course on Lowes Island, along the Potomac River in Virginia =3D
> >> includes a
> >>> historical marker that notes the following: =3DE2=3D80=3D9CMany =
> great =3D
> >> American soldiers,
> >>> both of the North and South, died
> >>> at this spot ... The casualties were so great that the water turned =
> =3D
> >> red and
> >>> thus became known as =3DE2=3D80=3D98The River of =
> Blood.=3DE2=3D80=3D99=3DE2=3D80=3D9D No =3D
> >> date is given on the marker
> >>> as to when this engagement took place. No military units or =
> commanding
> >>> officers are identified because, according to local historians, =
> there =3D
> >> is no
> >>> evidence that anyone was killed in military combat at this spot =
> during =3D
> >> the
> >>> Civil War.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >> The story I found online--at=3D20
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> >> =
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.nytimes.com_2015=
>
> _11_25_us_politics_in-2Drenovation-2Dof-2Dgolf-2Dclub-2Dd-3D&d=3DAwIBaQ&c=3D=
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> -dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=3DwFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=3D=
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> >> onald-trump-also-dressed-up-history.html,
> >> --does not contain a headline accusing Trump of slandering anyone, =
> only =3D
> >> of "dressing up history", but it does suggest an interesting take on =
> the =3D
> >> nature of historical research:
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> >> In a phone interview, Mr. Trump called himself a =3DE2=3D80=3D9Ca big =
> history =3D
> >> fan=3DE2=3D80=3D9D but deflected, played down and then simply =
> disputed the =3D
> >> local historians=3DE2=3D80=3D99 assertions of historical fact.
> >> =3DE2=3D80=3D9CThat was a prime site for river crossings,=3DE2=3D80=3D9=
> D Mr. Trump =3D
> >> said. =3DE2=3D80=3D9CSo, if people are crossing the river, and you =
> happen to =3D
> >> be in a civil war, I would say that people were shot =3DE2=3D80=3D94 =
> a lot of =3D
> >> them.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D  The club does indeed lie a stone=3DE2=3D80=3D99s =
> throw from =3D
> >> Rowser=3DE2=3D80=3D99s Ford, where, as an official historical marker =
> notes, =3D
> >> Gen. J. E. B. Stuart led 5,000 Confederate troops including cavalry =3D=
>
> >> across the Potomac en route to the Battle of Gettysburg.
> >> Between the 14th hole and the 15th tee of one of the club=3DE2=3D80=3D9=
> 9s two =3D
> >> courses, Mr. Trump installed a flagpole on a stone pedestal =
> overlooking =3D
> >> the Potomac, to which he affixed a plaque purportedly marking =
> =3DE2=3D80=3D9CThe=3D
> >> River of Blood."
> >> But no one died in that crossing, historians said, or in any other =3D
> >> notable Civil War engagement on the spot.
> >>=20
> >> =3DE2=3D80=3D9CHow would they know that?=3DE2=3D80=3D9D Mr. Trump =
> asked when told =3D
> >> that local historians had called his plaque a fiction. =3DE2=3D80=3D9CW=
> ere =3D
> >> they there?=3DE2=3D80=3D9D
> >>=20
> >> Mr. Trump repeatedly said that =3DE2=3D80=3D9Cnumerous =
> historians=3DE2=3D80=3D9D had =3D
> >> told him that the golf club site was known as the River of Blood. But =
> he =3D
> >> said he did not remember their names.
> >>
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> >>=20
> >> Presumably those "numerous historians" *were* there during the deadly =
> =3D
> >> crossing.  After all, Trump has assured us that thousands of =3D
> >> Arab-Americans were cheering in New Jersey as the towers came down, =
> even =3D
> >> though there is no other testimony or photographic evidence to =
> support =3D
> >> this claim.  But he was there. =3D20
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