[Ads-l] Three usage questions

Sun Sep 13 21:06:58 UTC 2015

An article at Slate mentioned the stylistic differential that
qualifies a hat for the name "rope hat", but the article did not
really explore the fashion history or etymology.

Website: Slate
Article title: Make Hats Great Again
Sub-title: A close reading of Donald Trump’s campaign merch.
Author: Seth Stevenson
Timestamp: Aug. 20 2015  2:40 PM

Short link:  http://slate.me/1Lb2OmT

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/08/trump_s_campaign_hat_making_america_great_again_starting_with_this_hat.html

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The "rope hat" style is on trend these days. Gnarly skateboard
periodical Thrasher Magazine sells them in several colors,
highlighting--in rather Trumpian language—the "classy woven rope" that
distinguishes its design.
[End excerpt]

An article at Golf Digest has a picture of golfer Lee Trevino with a
rope hat that might be from the 1970s, not sure.

Article: Are rope hats back to being cool? Harris English is going
retro at the Memorial
Author: Stephen Hennessey
Date: June 4, 2015

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/are-rope-hats-back-to-being-co

Garson

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Susan G Yerkes <susanyerkes at utexas.edu> wrote:
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> My question exactly... that's what thee NYT called it.
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> On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
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>> What the hell is a "rope hat," classic or otherwise?
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>> JL
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>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
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>> > I guess they can't be cavers or spelunkers or speleologist because =
>> > that's not serious enough, or maybe they just allude to exploring the =
>> > caves themselves (geologically) rather than the important old stuff =
>> > they're hiding (archeologically).  But why couldn't they be, for =
>> > example, "terranauts"?=20
>> >
>> > LH
>> >
>> > > On Sep 13, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at DUKE.EDU> =
>> > wrote:
>> > >=20
>> > > 1) The same group leader reportedly used it to describe an earlier =
>> > find.
>> > > "[Prof. Lee] Berger, leader of National Geographic's Rising Star =
>> > Expedition, tapped six women he has called "underground astronauts" to =
>> > recover remains from a cavern 30 meters underground at the Cradle of =
>> > Humankind, a World Heritage Site in northeastern South Africa. The =
>> > cradle is the site of some of the oldest hominin (human relatives closer
>> =
>> > on the family tree than gorillas or chimpanzees) discoveries ever, =
>> > reaching back more than 3 million years."
>> > >=20
>> > > This, from a U. of Wisconsin-Madison news release, Dec. 6 2013, via =
>> > Targeted News Service via ProQuest Central.
>> > >=20
>> > > Stephen Goranson
>> > > =
>> >
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>> > > ________________________________________
>> > > From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of =
>> > Susan G Yerkes <susanyerkes at UTEXAS.EDU>
>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 12:33 PM
>> > > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> > > Subject: [ADS-L] Three usage questions
>> > >=20
>> > > Love this list-serve and have three questions:
>> > >=20
>> > > 1) A story in Friday's NTY on the "Homo Naledi" discovery
>> > >=20
>> > > (
>> > > =
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>> > > )
>> > >=20
>> > > states that six "slender" women were chosen as the team to slither =
>> > into the
>> > > cave where the bones were found, and that the team members were  =
>> > referred
>> > > to as "underground astronauts."
>> > > Does anybody know if this is a new usage?
>> > >=20
>> > >=20
>> > > 2) A Sept. 9 NYT story on Donald Trump caps  referred to what I always
>> > > thought of "ball caps," "gimme caps" or trucker caps as "classic rope =
>> > hats."
>> > >=20
>> > > /
>> > > =
>> >
>> www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/fashion/trumps-campaign-hat-becomes-an-ironic-s=
>> > ummer-accessory.html?/_r=3D0i
>> > >=20
>> > > Where can I find an expanded explanation of the names for various =
>> > versions
>> > > of the billed cap?
>> > >=20
>> > > 3) The same NYT story ends with the conjecture that:
>> > >  This season=92s Trump trucker hat will soon go the way of =91on =
>> > fleek.=92 =94
>> > >=20
>> > > What is "on fleek" and where did it come from (and where, or which =
>> > way, did
>> > > it "go"?)
>> > >=20
>> > > Thanks in advance for any answers,
>> > >=20
>> > > Susan Yerkes
>> > > San Antonio, TX
>> > > (Not a member of ADS, but an enthusiastic fan of your discussions)
>> > >=20
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