[Ads-l] /hud/

[Laurence Horn]

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Paul A Johnston, Jr <paul.johnston at WMICH.EDU> wrote:
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> When I lived in the Chicago suburbs as a boy (1956-64), /hud/ was the name for any sort of juvenile delinquent (or more likely, wannabe j. d.--the town was too "Leave It To Beaver"-ish to have many real hoods.  But it was always /hud/,never /hUd/, which is what you wore on top of a parka in the winter.  I've never met anyone else who used this pronunciation.
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> Paul

Did it originate as a spelling pronunciation, I wonder?  I've certainly heard both /hud/-lum and /hUd/-lum and I can't even be sure which I say, but (growing up in NYC in the 50s) I've only ever heard /hUd/ as in "good", not /hud/ as in "food", both for the J.D. and for the attached head (or stove, or camera) cover. 

LH 


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>> I was surprised - no, startled - thirty-odd years ago when I first
>> heard a Chicagoan pronounce "hood" (hoodlum; dangerous  criminal)
>> with
>> the vowel of "too."
>> 
>> Back where I come from, "hoodlum" has that vowel, but "hood"  never
>> does.
>> 
>> The point of all this is that the 1930 movie _Doorway to Hell_,
>> starring Lew Ayres as Chicago's top mobster, employs the / u /
>> pronunciation:
>> 
>> "You better take your /hudz/ out of Rocco's territory."
>> 
>> JL
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