[Ads-l] "Crying Wolof"

Wed Mar 9 11:41:40 UTC 2016

I'd like to know to how to type here without losing actual characters.

AAV
bag:
1) habit; custom tradition; way of life; something one does habitually;
something ONE ENJOYS
2) one's own skill; talent, or area of expertise; one's job; one's THING
(in the song that you mention, he's saying that he has a new "thing"...and
he mentions several trendy dances or "new things" in the song. However, I
do not rely on songs to dig my own language...it is my birthright, and I
understand it naturally.)

Wolof
ba:x habit; custom; tradition; a traditionally done thing (Wolof standard
orthography: baax g-)
ba:xo: to possess one's own gift; to have (something) as a customary
activity or practice (Wolof standard orthography: baaxoo)
(the list serve strangely enough doesn't allow me to properly type the IPA
characters, but you can see it in the link that I initially provided to the
study to see the proper IPA spelling)

I don't like to rely on dictionaries to dig my own language, however,
Mahmoud El-Kati, a renowned native African-American historian and professor
from Minnesota published The Hiptionary. In this book, he defines "bag" as
follows:

the thing(s) that you do, value, or believe; things one values or lives by;
part of your personality

Let's compare that with Wolof:

Wolof:  (again, the list serve doesn't allow me to use the IPA symbols. You
can see it properly in my study.)
mba:xE:l   a moral value...ultimately from Wolof ba:x habit; custom;
tradition; a traditionally done thing; (Wolof standard orhtography: baax
g-)

Cf. Wolof ba:x 'morals (of a nation)' (Wolof standard orthography: baax y-)

This is why "bag" also means for us, "a moral code" or "value"

As I mentioned earlier, the idea that AAV is mutually intelligible with
so-called Standard English (an idea strongly promoted by linguist John
McWhorter) is a myth. This exchange that we're having is simple enough to
illustrate that the two languages are NOT necassarily mutually
intelligible, requiring code-switching on the part of native
African-Americans speakers of the language to be fully and properly
understood.

Here's to hoping that this formatting will come through in tact.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Margaret Lee <
0000006730deb3bf-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:

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> Subject:      Re: "Crying Wolof"
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> James Brown's 1965 hit, "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag," refers to learning
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> w dances.Much of my research involves the study of African American
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> --Margaret Lee
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>       From: Z Rice <zrice3714 at GMAIL.COM>
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>  Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 3:05 PM
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> Thank you for letting me know.
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> The OED provides the following reasoning for the AAV term "bag": *Meaning
> "person's area of interest or expertise" is 1964, from African-American
> vernacular...probably via notion of putting something in a bag."*
>
> I offer the following definition (as a native speaker) and the following
> etymologies as a researcher:
>
> *bag* *n* one's own quality; one's own skill; one's own talent; one's own
> gift; one's specialty; one's own area of expertise; one's job; one's
> "thing"; a part of one's personality or make-up. [African origin: Wolof
> *ba=CB=90x=C9=94=CB=90* 'to possess one's own quality or gift' (DFW); 'to
> h=
> ave (something)
> as a customary activity or practice' (JLD) (Wolof standard orthography:
> *baaxoo*) *=E2=99=A2* ultimately* from* Wolof *ba=CB=90x* 'habit';
> 'custom'=
> ;
> 'tradition'; 'a traditionally done thing' (Wolof standard orthography:
> *baax** g-*); *Cf.* Wolof *fekka baxa* 'special'; 'specially'; *ku fekka
> baax* 'one who has a specialty'; *m=C3=B2o ko fekka baax* 'It is his/her
> specialty' (DFW)
>
>
> I'd like to see the field of research into AAV improved, taken more
> seriously, and the "Cry Wolof" myth put to rest once and for all.
>
> Please note: If the formatting is lost via the mailing list server, one can
> simply go to the Preview document to find the original:
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> https://www.scribd.com/doc/303169199/Preview-The-Myth-of-Cry-Wolof-and-the-=
> Case-for-Wolof-Etymologies#page=3D8
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> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Salikoko S. Mufwene <
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> > I had no problem with the original link.
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> > Sali.
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> > On 3/8/2016 10:23 AM, Z Rice wrote:
> > > Thanks, Mark; could you please let me know which link is not working
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> > > you? I tried all of them, btw, and they work for me. Let me know which
> > link
> > > isn't functioning for you and I'll look into it. Thanks.
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> > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Mark Mandel <thnidu at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> Clicking on that link brings up
> > >>
> > >> You are not allowed to view this document.
> > >> Sorry, we can't display this document.
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> > >> Mark Mandel
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 8, 2016 9:20 AM, "Z Rice" <zrice3714 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> Good Morning to All,
> > >>>
> > >>> I recently published a critique on the myth of "Crying Wolof" and a
> > study
> > >>> on Wolof retentions or "Wolofisms" in the United States. This study
> > >>> includes the actual origin of 'hip', along with 'shuck', 'dig' and
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> > >>> more.
> > >>>
> > >>> I've made a special document available that allows readers to access
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> > >>> preview of the study. Readers can access the preview document by
> > clicking
> > >>> the following link:
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