[Ads-l] The end is near: "substitute for" replaces "replace with"

[Wilson Gray]

The fact that it's easy to document a myriad of occurrences of this
German-like innovation merely provides support for Jim's assertion that the
end is near.

"gluten-free-certified Cajun sauce" or the more-likely-to-occur "gluten
free certified Cajun sauce," with hyphenation left as an exercise for the
reader

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

> Color me skeptical.  Given that it's easy to document myriad occurrences
> of the innovative substitute (SUBSTITUTE OLD FOR NEW = 'replace old with
> new'), including the many we've discussed on this list (see especially
> Arnold Zwicky's postings), and given that in a Mechanical Turk survey we
> conducted shows the wide acceptability (slightly more for younger speakers)
> across the U.S. (and it would be higher in the U.K.) for OLD FOR NEW
> readings in such sentences as "You can substitute pecans for oatmeal in the
> recipe", "You can substitute salad for soup for $2", or "My teacher often
> tells us to substitute reality television for educational programming",
> it's far more plausible that Mark Mandel's example involves this use (which
> is the only interpretation for many speakers and a possible reading for
> many others) than that the writer had intended "substitute, for
> sloganeering, actionable plans".  I have examples of web posts and menus in
> which both SUBSTITUTE OLD FOR NEW and the traditional SUBSTITUTE NEW FOR
> OLD readings occur two sentences apart.  It's also easy to find examples in
> which the old item is in subject position as in "Tofu substitutes for beef
> in this recipe", where no misplaced word analysis is available.  We may or
> may not like it but it's here to stay (and it's been here for a while, as
> the OED documents).  The classic paper on the reanalysis of "substitute X
> for/with Y" is
>
> Denison, David. 2009. Argument structure. In G. Rohdenburg & & J. Schlüter
> (eds.), _One Language, Two Grammars? Differences Between British and
> American English_, 149-165. CUP.
>
> LH
>
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 2016, at 10:44 AM, James A. Landau <JJJRLandau at netscape.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 11 May 2016 21:15:23 Zone-0400  Mark Mandel <thnidu at GMAIL.COM>
> quoted:
> >
> >
> >>>>>>
> > I’m not sure I’ve ever been more disappointed in a politician than I’ve
> > become with Bernie Sanders. He was My Guy in the beginning. I really
> > wanted
> > him to be the real deal. I hoped for a year, that he would substitute
> > sloganeering for actionable plans, and unfortunately I’m still waiting.
> > <<<<<
> >
> > This strikes me as no more than a misplaced word, the writer intending
> to write "substitute, for sloganeering, actionable plans".
> >
> > Similarly, my local supermarket is advertising a "gluten-free certified
> Cajun sauce".  Either the word "certified" is misplaced or the Department
> of Agriculture has a bilingual inspector who goes to the sauce factor to
> certify that all the assembly-line workers speak French.
> >
> > James A. Landau
> >
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