[Ads-l] -hootered

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sat May 14 19:34:49 UTC 2016 

Interesting; thanks, Jon.  I'd have guessed (in fact I did guess) just the opposite--that the juicier and bawdier version was the original (as with euphemism in general) and that the more presentable (and performable) versions came later.  (I love "monorchid"; I'd have probably settled for the much less elegant, although perhaps more transparent, "monotesticular". In the land of the castrati, the monorchidian man is king?)  Is there a clean original of the Good Ship Venus?  Hard to believe.  I assume your chronology factors in the relative unlikelihood of earlier obscene versions seeing the light of print.  

LH

> On May 14, 2016, at 1:11 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> What little evidence has survived suggests that the villain was indeed
> originally monocular and not monorchid.  E.g.:
> 
> 1895 Thomas West Smith *The Story of a Cavalry Regiment: “Scott’s 900,”
> Eleventh New York* *Cavalry *(Chicago: Veteran Association of the Regiment,
> 1895)  23 [ref. to Army of the Potomac, 1862]: Around the camp fire one
> could listen to song and jest and story; and far into the night could be
> heard the sigh or laugh which followed the plaintive notes of "Annie
> Laurie"’ or the rollicking words of  "One- Eyed Riley."
> 
> From a note I sent some ten years since to the Ballad List:
> 
> John Martin, a sailor on board the whale ship _Lucy Ann_ (Wilmington, Del.)
> noted the song title "One eyed [sic] Riley" in his journal for Feb. 16,
> 1842, as being the curtain-raiser of a shipboard "concert" off the coast of
> Brazil.  It was followed immediately by "There was a Sheppards daughter
> Kept sheep on yonder hill" (undoubtedly Child 110) and "I hit her right on
> her stinking machine."  Stuart M. Frank lists the entire "programme" and
> attempts to identify the songs (most of which seem to be tamer than the
> opening numbers) in his 1986 Brown University diss. (pp. 1047-48).
> 
> Such songs tend to get bawdier, not cleaner, with the passage of time.
> 
> More background on request.
> 
> 
> JL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>>> On May 14, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> there's a song I'm thinking of called "One-Ball Reilly"
>>> 
>>> Politely "One-Eyed."
>>> 
>>> JL
>> 
>> Yes, when I looked for a YouTube performance to link to my message, all I
>> could find was the bowdlerized version as performed e.g. by Tommy Makem &
>> the Clancy Brothers.  Extant lyrics for "One-Ball(ed) Riley" (or "Reilly")
>> can be located, however.  When we compare the new version to the original,
>> we observe that Makem/Clancy incorporate more changes than merely the
>> rediagnosis of the title character's condition (yet another instance of
>> Freud's "displacement upwards").  Compare, for example, the chorus and a
>> random verse:
>> 
>> 
>> Refined version (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DysMvI5i5Bgg&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=zSBd-I8_pntE6EYTpYk3EUYDPMddRzSyOSbPedc5DSc&s=vtGSG2oAD5ZaPXEWAsM3WnOmfOkIODo5BUwXGxbzhso&e= )
>> 
>> Giddy I ae, giddy I ae, giddy I ae for the one-eyed Reilly
>> Giddy I ae, (clap, clap, clap) try it on your old big drum
>> ...
>> I caught old Reilly by the hair,
>> rammed his head in a pail of water
>> Fired his pistols into the air,
>> a damned sight quicker than I married his daughter
>> 
>> 
>> Original version (from a field recording on my iTunes by John Patrick
>> (collected by Sandy Paton);
>> for a closely related version cf.
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.traditionalmusic.co.uk_bawdy-2Dsongs_008618.HTM&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=zSBd-I8_pntE6EYTpYk3EUYDPMddRzSyOSbPedc5DSc&s=UvtM8AA5jroFJ7ZCnVwz7mV02P9GlJJz8P_V5C0n5ZM&e=  <
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.traditionalmusic.co.uk_bawdy-2Dsongs_008618.HTM&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=zSBd-I8_pntE6EYTpYk3EUYDPMddRzSyOSbPedc5DSc&s=UvtM8AA5jroFJ7ZCnVwz7mV02P9GlJJz8P_V5C0n5ZM&e= >
>> 
>> Fiddle-E-I-E, Fiddle-E-I-O
>> Fiddle-E-I-E for the one-balled Reilly
>> Rigga-jig-jig, balls and all
>> Rub-a-dub-dub, shag on!
>> ...
>> Well, I knocked him down onto the floor
>> Shoved his head in a bucket o' water
>> Rammed the pistols up his are
>> A damn sight further than I'd shagged his daughter.
>> 
>> LH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> LH
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Screech owls may be described as "loud-hootered."
>>>> 
>>>> JL
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Benjamin Barrett <
>> mail.barretts at gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> LMAO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I thought today that I came up with examples of body parts that don’t
>>>>> work, but I found them all on Google:
>>>>> 
>>>>> big-foreheaded
>>>>> big-buttocked
>>>>> big-penised
>>>>> big-calved
>>>>> big-shinned
>>>>> 
>>>>> Benjamin Barrett
>>>>> Formerly of Seattle, WA
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 13 May 2016, at 08:35, Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While researching the verb "schlong" after Trump's notorious usage, I
>>>>> had
>>>>>> to keep filtering out "long-schlonged," "big-schlonged,"
>>>>> "mini-schlonged,"
>>>>>> etc. from my searches on the simple past / past participle.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:13 AM, Benjamin Barrett <
>>>>> mail.barretts at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You mean that the grammar allows body parts to become adjectives, as
>> in
>>>>>>> big-footed? That’s a good point. (I have trouble with “a big-penised
>>>>> man”
>>>>>>> but perhaps it’s all right.) BB
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 12 May 2016, at 23:08, Mark Mandel <thnidu at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The construction is standard; it's just its use with this noun
>> that's
>>>>>>> novel.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>> On May 12, 2016 7:52 PM, "Benjamin Barrett" <
>> mail.barretts at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:mail.barretts at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Not on Wiktionary or the Oxford Dictionary site. Googling yields
>>>>>>> primarily
>>>>>>>>> hits for pornographic videos.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 1. Sundays with Vlad: From Wal-Mart to Transylvania, One Man's
>> Quest
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Live in the World of the Undead
>>>>>>>>> by Paul Bibeau
>>>>>>>>> 2007
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Why not feature Chucky as one of Dracula's minions and have him
>>>>> staked
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> a wisecracking, big-hootered paralegal with a little help from
>> Molly
>>>>>>>>> Ringwald?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2. How To Fish An Ocean Pier
>>>>>>>>> by ACTivist
>>>>>>>>> 20 May 2012
>>>>>>>>> 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__novatownhall.com_2012_05_20_how-2Dto-2Dfish-2Dan-2Docean-2Dpier_&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=V0C15fb_uXJP1jae6h-DpCGpphyqzQXGrLVKMhCnRYE&s=4sU5EaUeM3qvz7xHehuSngQudhEW7ougtdwOGQuaTj8&e=
>> <
>>>>>>>>> 
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>> <
>>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> DON’T be fooled by those big hootered women in the short skirts who
>>>>>>> smile
>>>>>>>>> the whole time they are lying to you.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 3. heavily hootered
>>>>>>>>> by dawg32123212345
>>>>>>>>> 04 August 2008
>>>>>>>>> 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.urbandictionary.com_define.php-3Fterm-3Dheavily-2520hootered&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=V0C15fb_uXJP1jae6h-DpCGpphyqzQXGrLVKMhCnRYE&s=Bm4d1rCBg_pSEz1roMkrYFjYdHwcqB610yAC7-r1lAI&e=
>> <
>>>>>>> 
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>>> <
>>>>>>>>> 
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>> <
>>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [definition useless]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 4. Why does it seem so trendy lately for large hootered women to do
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> chopdown?
>>>>>>>>> by Barack Insane Muslama
>>>>>>>>> Not dated
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
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>>> <
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As they are destroying what God blessed them with (and what so many
>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>> hootered women go under the knife to obtain) is it also just one
>> more
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>> for the atheist retards to spit in religion's eye?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>> truth."
>>>> 
>>> 
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