[Ads-l] t(h)run

[Paul A Johnston, Jr]

I remember "trun" from my childhood, but only for "throw".
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> 1901 Charles Macomb Flandreau, "The Diary of a Harvard Freshman," in
> _Saturday Evening Post_ (Jan. 19) 11: All the men jumped up on their
> chairs ...and yelled, "Down in front - down in front!" and "Trun him
> out!"
> 
> 1902 _The National Engineer _ (Dec.) 25: "Smash th' thraitor," "Slub
> [sic] de beef-eatin' bully," "Trun 'im out." Quicker'n scat, Mike was
> at the bottom of a fightin', strugglin' mas off mad Irishmen.
> 
> 1916 Walter Alden Dyer _Gulliver the Great_ (N.Y.: Century) 57: Well,
> you take Maginnis an' trun 'im out. We can't have no lousy mutts
> around here now. Where did ye find the dirty baste?"
> 
> I wonder if this present-tense "trun" is really a metathesis of
> "turn."
> 
> JL
> 
> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Douglas G. Wilson <douglas at nb.net>
> wrote:
> > On 5/14/2016 9:11 AM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> >>
> >> For _threw_.
> >>
> >> This makes a brief appearance in DARE, s.v. _throw_, but I can't
> >> find any
> >> exx. in the online ed.  Not in OED.
> >>
> >> The 1930 semi-classic film _The Bat Whispers_ features a bumbling
> >> small-town detective (Charles Dow Clark). Clark, acc. to IMDb, was
> >> born in
> >> Vermont in 1869.  When somebody drops a vase on his head, he asks,
> >> clearly,
> >> "Who thrun that?"
> >>
> >> I don't think I've encountered _thrun_ before.
> >>
> >> Perhaps the _locus classicus_ of "trun" is in a song called "The
> >> Portland
> >> County Jail" that Carl Sandburg included in his _American Songbag_
> >> (1927):
> >>
> >> "Saturday night when I got tight, he trun me in the can."
> >
> > --
> >
> > I see that DARE shows "t(h)run" not only for "threw" and "thrown"
> > but even
> > for "throw" (with examples).
> >
> > DARE derives this from Irish dialectal "thrun"/"threwn" (used for
> > past and
> > participle and "occasionally" in present tense) (if I'm reading it
> > right).
> >
> > MW3 shows "trun" = "threw".
> >
> > I don't recall encountering anything like "t(h)run" myself.
> >
> > -- Doug Wilson
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