[Ads-l] almond

[Benjamin Barrett]

> On 26 May 2016, at 17:50, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
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>> On May 26, 2016, at 7:04 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu <mailto:george.thompson at nyu.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> "i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic Vowels,
>> with ah perceived as foreign"
>> 
>> "Patriotic Vowels" isn't in the recently-revised "P" section of the OED.
>> 
>> Will Arnold's message be the earliest recorded instance?
>> 
>> GAT
> 
> I wonder, though.  "Pasta" for example gets an Italianate /a/ Stateside but an /ae/ in the U.K., and IIRC there are other examples.  Who's patriotic now?

I think the /ae/ pronunciation is also common in the US. I’ll bet there’s a thread out there somewhere arguing about the correct American pronunciation. BB

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> LH
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Arnold M. Zwicky <zwicky at stanford.edu>
>> wrote:
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>>>> On May 26, 2016, at 7:30 AM, Joan Hall <jdhall at WISC.EDU> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> DARE says that pronunciations with an "open o" and no "l" are
>>> "infrequent. It also shows that pronunciations with an ash are especially
>>> frequent in California, where they are grown.
>>> 
>>> i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic Vowels,
>>> with ah perceived as foreign --  in particular, British, or more
>>> significantly, (Mexican) Spanish in areas where there are significant
>>> numbers of such speakers (who are popularly categorized as foreigners, no
>>> matter how long they've been residents, even unto 150 years).  lots of this
>>> in place names: Colorado, Nevada, Los Gatos, Los Altos, Palo Alto, etc.).
>>> 
>>> the idea is that "almond" with ah is Mexican, while ash is Real American.
>>> 
>>> arnold
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