[Ads-l] Where are the PC police?

Sun Sep 18 14:31:49 UTC 2016

That Wikipedia entry sure is one impressive piece of work and no mistake, though
I'd tend to describe at least some of the other versions as "analogues" rather
than "sources".

Only two things of substance I'd want to add.  One is that, as part of the
British line of development, there's a lovely short novel called _The Conceited
Pig_ published anonymously (circa 1848).  This can be found (among other places)
here (with further details below my sig.):

     http://digital.nls.uk/early-gaelic-book-collections/pageturner.cfm?id=78655893&mode=transcription
http://digital.nls.uk/early-gaelic-book-collections/pageturner.cfm?id=78655893&mode=transcription

This is well worth reading (it's actually to my mind rather funny) and, as is
characteristic of the British line of development, much less moralistic than
Chandler.

The other point is that the printed version of _The Remarkable Story of Chicken
Little_ is based on a longer manuscript version which only reappeared in 1935.
 Again, further details below.

Robin.

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          On a Conceited Pig called Wilbur:

<<  Chambers’ 1842 version was reprinted as part of his collected works in 1847,
and again in 1870. As early as the late 1840s, less than six years after its
first appearance, the narrative was adapted and expanded as _The Conceited Pig_
(pre-1848?), which introduced a pig named Wilbur. The anonymous author continued
with _Miss Peck’s Adventures_ (London, 1848), featuring a sour and spinsterish
hen named Miss Peck.

...

NOTE:   _The Conceited Pig_ (London, 1852) – Probably pre-1848. While this is
the earliest text I’ve been able to see, there are several books listed by
Worldcat as published in 1848, including an edition of _Miss Peck’s Adventures_,
which read, “by the author of The Conceited Pig.”]

In an advert in Rev. W.B.Flower, _Try Again_ (1848), _Miss Peck’s Adventures_ is
described as in preparation, and about to be issued, so _The Conceited Pig_ was
almost certainly printed before 1848.

The novelist Charlotte E. Yonge commented approvingly on this tale, comparing it
favourably to Halliwell’s version and suggested that it was developed from the
Scottish version provided by Chambers.  >>

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          On the Earlier Chandler Version

Herbert H. Hosmer, Jr. (ed.,), _The Remarkable History of Chicken Little,
 1840-1940 [by]  John Greene Chandler_ (Privately printed at The College Press,
South Lancaster, Massachusetts, 1941).

This provides a full transcription of Chandler's manuscript, and some details of
Chandler's life.  The commentary is tooth-numbingly saccharine, and the
manuscript itself is even more moralistic than the shorter version, but Hosmer
does include material not found anywhere else, with regard to Chandler's
biography.

R.

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> 
>     On 18 September 2016 at 11:56 "Shapiro, Fred" <fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Wikipedia has a thorough discussion of the Danish and American sources for
> Chicken Little.
> 
> 
>     By coincidence, my wife was very recently checking the Yale copy of the
> 1840 publication with the first use of "Chicken Little" for the OED.
> 
> 
>     Fred Shapiro
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of Robin
> Hamilton <robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM>
>     Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:50 AM
>     To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>     Subject: Re: Where are the PC police?
> 
>     Damn! I totally forgot this till now, as I came on it well after I'd done
> most
>     of what work I did in this area:
> 
>     Katherine M. Briggs, _A Dictionary of British Folk-Tales_, Part A Folk
>     Narratives Vol. 2 (of a total of 4 volumes):
> 
>     pp.515 ff. for Chicken-Licken and derived/related texts
> 
>     pp.531 ff. for The Hen and Her Fellow-Travellers and derived/related texts
> 
>     A much more reliable text than Ashliman, where they overlap, but not I
> think
>     available as easily. Note also that it's _British_ Folk-Tales, so no John
>     Greene Chandler or Joel Chandler Harris.
> 
>     (Just pulled that from my shelves, where it sits above and slightly to the
> left
>     of the only two volumes of HDAS that OUP will allow us to read. Phoey!!!!)
> 
>     Robin
> 
>     _____________________________
> 
>     >
>     > On 18 September 2016 at 05:30 Robin Hamilton
>     > <robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM> wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     > There's this, for a complete text:
>     >
>     > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__archive.org_stream_remarkablestoryo00bostiala-23page_n0_mode_2up&d=CwICaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=sRkhHMQo6W5Ird1lkQFqb23bCfSHAR2XjUSUG53db5M&m=ZeZFnPBjToq6EJOV76xtJTSEU19N4CbA9hE-8KQr-hE&s=_8paVknT-IfJo4L_WkITmmzYVozR_xucXTc2rpvjvYo&e=
>     >
>     > It doesn't show up on an obvious google (or internal Internet Archive)
>     > search,
>     > as John Greene Chandler's name has been removed in the course of
>     > (various?)
>     > reprinting(s), but you can get to it via the title.
>     >
>     > Not the original 1840 edition, where the illustrations are in colour,
>     > but
>     > as far
>     > as I can make out, otherwise identical.
>     >
>     > I'm not absolutely sure, as I've never managed to get my eyes near a
>     > proper
>     > first edition to check it against, but probably good enough for
>     > government
>     > work.
>     >
>     > (Thinking about it, I'm not even absolutely sure that the illustrations
>     > originally *were* in colour. I've seen images like that, but they may
>     > have
>     > been
>     > coloured after the fact.)
>     >
>     > Actually, comparing the text from the link above, with the images Garson
>     > links
>     > to below, they seem (a) to be, with the exception that Chandler's name
>     > is
>     > obliterated from the cover of the reprint, identical, and (b) to my
>     > untrained
>     > eye, the colours in the americanantiquarian images look as if they were
>     > hand-painted onto/into an originally penny-plain text.
>     >
>     > Which is what would more likely be found at a country fair, which was
>     > where
>     > Chandler sold it first.
>     >
>     > Robin
>     >
>     > (Who unlike Garson, managed to totally misremember the date. With the
>     > correct
>     > date of 1840, Chandler beats the first printing of the Scottish version
>     > by
>     > two
>     > years, and takes the crown. More, possibly, if the longer [abominably
>     > prolix]
>     > MS version which lies behind the printed text was written substantially
>     > earlier.)
>     >
>     > Incidentally, there's a raft of versions, including the 1849
>     > Halliwell-Phillipps
>     > one, here:
>     >
>     > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.pitt.edu_-7Edash_type2033.html-23chambers1841&d=CwICaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=sRkhHMQo6W5Ird1lkQFqb23bCfSHAR2XjUSUG53db5M&m=ZeZFnPBjToq6EJOV76xtJTSEU19N4CbA9hE-8KQr-hE&s=e8yA-qifbY4ROK1RmKzb7_R3FHgTy2-8l0C7xQuS-5w&e=
>     >
>     > The Scottish version should [but doesn't] carry a health-warning. It's,
>     > to
>     > put
>     > it mildly, "translated" into English. On the whole, I really like
>     > Ashliman's
>     > site, both here and beyond the issue at hand, but in that instance ...
>     > words
>     > fail me. :-(
>     >
>     > R.
>     >
>     > >
>     > > On 18 September 2016 at 04:14 ADSGarson O'Toole
>     > > <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Back in 2010 I mentioned that "Google Books contains a document titled
>     > > 'Remarkable Story of Chicken Little' by John Greene Chandler dated
>     > > 1840 but it cannot be examined because there is 'No preview
>     > > available'."
>     > >
>     > > Robin just sent me (off-list) some additional bibliographical data
>     > > about this 1840 edition.
>     > >
>     > > Now, I see that American Antiquarian Society based in Worcester,
>     > > Massachusetts has an "extremely rare first edition" from 1840, and
>     > > they have posted scans of a few pages.
>     > >
>     > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.americanantiquarian.org_Exhibitions_View_7_fig7-5F7.htm&d=CwICaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=sRkhHMQo6W5Ird1lkQFqb23bCfSHAR2XjUSUG53db5M&m=ZeZFnPBjToq6EJOV76xtJTSEU19N4CbA9hE-8KQr-hE&s=XBgZExdSQO-CcjNdGOCSi3I0ZdznrnHACEhTEae32Nc&e=
>     > >
>     > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.americanantiquarian.org_Exhibitions_Inpursuit_case8_case8-5F11.htm&d=CwICaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=sRkhHMQo6W5Ird1lkQFqb23bCfSHAR2XjUSUG53db5M&m=ZeZFnPBjToq6EJOV76xtJTSEU19N4CbA9hE-8KQr-hE&s=eLm_xRj5RmQLFdIQQ9CfqHVWwEnm8_kR4-d6mbpq9HQ&e=
>     > >
>     > > There is a downloadable PDF at the second link that contains a few
>     > > pages. Here is the story text on the pages. Please double-check for
>     > > errors. The main plot event: A leaf fell on the tail of Chicken
>     > > Little.
>     > >
>     > > [Begin text of page 1]
>     > > Did you ever hear of Chicken Little, how she disturbed a whole
>     > > neighborhood by her foolish alarm?
>     > > [End text]
>     > >
>     > > [Begin text of page 2]
>     > > Well, Chicken Little was running about in a gentleman's garden, where
>     > > she had no business to be: she ran under a rose-bush, and a leaf fell
>     > > on her tail; so she was dreadfully frightened, and ran away to Hen
>     > > Pen.
>     > > [End excerpt]
>     > >
>     > > Page 3 and subsequent pages are not displayed on the website of the
>     > > American Antiquarian Society. The text below is from a later section
>     > > of the story. It contains the key phrase "the sky is falling". This
>     > > text was displayed in the back cover, I think.
>     > >
>     > > [Begin text (located on back cover, I think)]
>     > > "O Duck Luck!" says Hen Pen, "the sky is falling." "How do you know
>     > > it?" says Duck Luck. "Chicken Little told me." "Chicken Little, how do
>     > > you know it?" "O, I saw it with my eyes, I heard it with my ears, and
>     > > part of it fell on my tail. O, come, let us run!"
>     > > [End text]
>     > >
>     > > Garson
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
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