[Ads-l] From Britain to Texas
Joel Berson
berson at ATT.NET
Tue Sep 20 18:28:12 UTC 2016
Robin, can you date it before the Acts of Union?
Joel
From: Robin Hamilton <robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM>
To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ADS-L] From Britain to Texas
Hm ... have I been caught with my identity politics showing, or was my initial
howl of outrage justified?
While I take Larry's point, I would draw attention to the level of specificity
which Wilson was adducing -- thus not, "From Britain to America [or 'the
USA'?]", which I might have been prepared to admit, but from ... what he said.
To be fair all round, and perhaps reflecting a level of prejudice which was more
common in the eighteenth century than now, I mibee should have said, "From the
Lowlands of Scotland [couched in braid Scots -- I utterly abhor the synthetic
term, "Lallans"] to Texas [outwith the Nation], rather than either the Southron
Lands or the Gaeltacht [where the teuchters eat their living young]."
Remember Flodden ... Glencoe ... Bloody-handed Claverhouse ... The Clearances
... the Hag of Grantham and the Poll Tax!
Enough, already.
Outraged from Kelvinside.
(Incidentally, from Larry's list below, the only fraction* of, to give it its
full name, "Great Britain and Northern Ireland", who self-identify as "British"
are Northern Ireland Protestants. Go figure. R.)
* I use the term "fraction" in that instance in its technical Trotskyist** sense
-- I hope everyone was paying close enough attention to give me proper credit
for this.
Himself.
** Wilson, as a fellow SF aficionado, you might be interested in the work of the
Glasgow [specifically, in this instance ***] writer Ken MacLeod, whose first
novel was called _The Star Fraction_. A seriously gallus cheil, thon yin.
a.k.a. The Wee MacGreegor
*** One last ultra-pedantic point -- parts of _The Star Faction_ aren't simply
located in Glasgow, but in a howlingly local time frame, since in my day, the
Queen Margaret Union didn't allow critters of the male persuasion entrance other
than to a very narrow range of social events. I'd place it mid to late
seventies.
The Gonzo Scholar
(Oh, I know I shouldn't, but I just remembered this, and it's too good not to
pass on -- somewhere embedded in _The Star Fraction_ is a Trotskyist version of
the Dilly song, known in America as "Children, come as I call thee". Is that
the correct title? Whatever, a traditional counting song, best rendered by the
Seekers IMHO.
The Lilywhite Boy)
>
> On 20 September 2016 at 16:11 Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
> wrote:
>
>
> But wouldn't Scots folk tales, songs, and singers also be British? Does
> "Britain" not include Scotland, Wales, and at least Northern Ireland--i.e.
> those who make up the Br in Brexit? (And yes, I know how the Scots voted.) Or
> is that just Great Britain?
>
> LH
>
> > On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:24 AM, Robin Hamilton
> > <robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM> wrote:
> >
> > Wilson, how *could* you do this -- "From Britain [sic] to Texas". The
> > earliest
> > (and best early) versions are SCOTS!!! (Sorry to shout, but.)
> >
> > Bet you it jumps straight from Scotland to the blues singers, without
> > touching
> > on England on the way. (I exaggerate, I spose.)
> >
> > It's Child 274:
> >
> > Hame came our goodman,
> >
> > And hame came he,
> >
> > And then he saw a saddle-horse,
> >
> > Where nae horse should be. [1776]
> >
> > Aw, I'll forgive you just this one time, since you pointed me to Coley
> > Jones,
> > who I hadn't encountered before.
> >
> > Robin
> >
> >>
> >> On 20 September 2016 at 04:41 Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Chief British Poets of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Centuries
> >> Pages 328b-330a
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__books.google.com_books-3Fid-3D9DtAAAAAIAAJ&d=CwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=_FsS1xjTUxS_tU0W1vVpKxx7EMscM4wa7oVDiDpU9j8&s=gn6kypuATnI8itY13JCzbrav7Uk9LyrC0qtggpNf8cE&e=
> >> William Allan Neilson, Kenneth Grant Tremayne Webster - 1916 -
> >> English
> >> poetry
> >>
> >> GBooks has the poem back to 1795 in snippet.
> >>
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D5wc6CPxzxP8&d=CwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=_FsS1xjTUxS_tU0W1vVpKxx7EMscM4wa7oVDiDpU9j8&s=yDA8pk_E9t3bqrQfV-c_XEnYrn-txwAS3GQiavSVAzg&e=
> >> Coley Jones - Drunkard's Special from the album, TexasBlues
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> -Wilson
> >> -----
> >> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint to
> >> come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
> >> -Mark Twain
> >>
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