[Ads-l] arrow-space

Barretts Mail mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM
Sun Aug 6 15:03:34 EDT 2017


> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:48, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM <mailto:mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:28, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU <mailto:laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> "Arrow" rhymes with "sparrow," "marrow," and "harrow," but "aero" rhymes
>>>> with the local pronunciation of "Cairo," Illinois. Or "pair o'," as in
>>>> "pair o' words that rhyme."
>>>> 
>>>> At least for me.
>>> 
>>> And “pharaoh”.   Actually, now that I think of it, I distinguish “pharaoh” (as in “aerospace”) from “farro” (the “ancient grain”).  
>>> Also “Pretty Saro” (traditional song).  But not Varro, the Roman grammarian—he rhymes with arrow.
>>> 
>> 
>> More homophones to me. How about some IPA? BB
> 
> Carey [keri]. (Vowel of Mary, pharaoh)
> carry [kæri]. (Vowel of marry, farro)
> Kerry [kɛri].  (Vowel of merry, ferry)
> 
> Imperfect, because of r-coloring.  My “Carey” vowel doesn't quite end up the same as my “Kate” vowel, although they start out the same.  Actually, now that I think of it, the stressed vowel of Cairo/Karo is a better fit for [e] than that of Carey.

Thanks. So it looks like pharaoh and aero are [e] and arrow is [æ].

BB

> 
> LH
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Peter Reitan <pjreitan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Is there any other way to pronounce it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I remember seeing a linguistics educational cartoon in Jr. High.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In one of the scenes, a character says that he can determine where someone
>>>>> is from by they way they pronounce the words "merry," "Mary" and "marry."
>>>>> 
>>>>> I remember thinking - "but they are all pronounced the same!"  Only years
>>>>> later, when I went East for school, did I appreciate the various ways some
>>>>> people distinguish among those words.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess I feel the same way about aero and arrow.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:27:53 AM
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>>>>> Subject: Re: arrow-space
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>>>>> There might be a difference in my pronunciation, but I think they=E2=80=99=
>>>>> re the same. BB
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 07:19, James A. Landau <JJJRLandau at NETSCAPE.COM> =
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> At a meeting this week, two different people pronounced "aerospace" as =
>>>>> something close to /arrow-space/.  Has anyone else heard this?
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> - Jim Landau
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