[Ads-l] arrow-space

Barretts Mail mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM
Sun Aug 6 15:20:12 EDT 2017


> On 6 Aug 2017, at 12:16, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM <mailto:mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:48, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU <mailto:laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM <mailto:mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM> <mailto:mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM <mailto:mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:28, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU <mailto:laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> <mailto:laurence.horn at YALE.EDU <mailto:laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>> <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Arrow" rhymes with "sparrow," "marrow," and "harrow," but "aero" rhymes
>>>>>> with the local pronunciation of "Cairo," Illinois. Or "pair o'," as in
>>>>>> "pair o' words that rhyme."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At least for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And “pharaoh”.   Actually, now that I think of it, I distinguish “pharaoh” (as in “aerospace”) from “farro” (the “ancient grain”).  
>>>>> Also “Pretty Saro” (traditional song).  But not Varro, the Roman grammarian—he rhymes with arrow.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> More homophones to me. How about some IPA? BB
>>> 
>>> Carey [keri]. (Vowel of Mary, pharaoh)
>>> carry [kæri]. (Vowel of marry, farro)
>>> Kerry [kɛri].  (Vowel of merry, ferry)
>>> 
>>> Imperfect, because of r-coloring.  My “Carey” vowel doesn't quite end up the same as my “Kate” vowel, although they start out the same.  Actually, now that I think of it, the stressed vowel of Cairo/Karo is a better fit for [e] than that of Carey.
>> 
>> Thanks. So it looks like pharaoh and aero are [e] and arrow is [æ].
>> 
>> BB
> 
> Right. And now you conflators can see the [ɛ]rror of your ways.
> 

Feeling the pain of cardinal vowel language speakers who are made to learn English in secondary school. WHYYYYYYYYYY!!! BB

> 
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>>> 
>>> LH
>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Peter Reitan <pjreitan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is there any other way to pronounce it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I remember seeing a linguistics educational cartoon in Jr. High.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In one of the scenes, a character says that he can determine where someone
>>>>>>> is from by they way they pronounce the words "merry," "Mary" and "marry."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I remember thinking - "but they are all pronounced the same!"  Only years
>>>>>>> later, when I went East for school, did I appreciate the various ways some
>>>>>>> people distinguish among those words.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I guess I feel the same way about aero and arrow.
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:27:53 AM
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>>>>>>> Subject: Re: arrow-space
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>>>>>>> There might be a difference in my pronunciation, but I think they=E2=80=99=
>>>>>>> re the same. BB
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 07:19, James A. Landau <JJJRLandau at NETSCAPE.COM> =
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> At a meeting this week, two different people pronounced "aerospace" as =
>>>>>>> something close to /arrow-space/.  Has anyone else heard this?
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> - Jim Landau
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