[Ads-l] The Mooch and print journalism

[Marc Sacks]

I believe the someone, for what it's worth, was Sen. Patrick Leahy of
Vermont.

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 2:27 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu>
wrote:

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> As I recall, during the Cheney administration, Dick Cheney told someone to
> go fuck himself.  the NYTimes printed it in full, and responded to a
> complaint by saying that the words of the president-behind-the-throne had
> said was the news story and it could not properly be reported without
> quoting them.
> Meanwhile, TLS (the Times Literary Supplement), a sister publication to the
> [London] Times, the original Gray Lady, now allows its writers to use the
> emphatic "fuck"/"fucking".  Mind you, that Times is now owned by Rupert
> Murdock.
>
> GAT
>
> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> wrote:
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> > On the topic of The Mooch:
> >
> > Interesting moment in the history of the F-word and related
> > asteriskabilia...
> >
> > As many of you have no doubt noticed, The Mooch=E2=80=99s rant (first of
> =
> what we
> > can hope will be many) has led to the Decency Drawbridge being
> > significantly lowered by the Gray Lady and other news sources.  Am I
> righ=
> t
> > in thinking this was the first (or one of the first) instances in which
> t=
> he
> > Times has printed =E2=80=9Cfucking=E2=80=9D in so many letters? (Jesse
> wi=
> ll know.) Not to
> > mention the bit where The Mooch maintains that he, unlike Bannon, isn=E2=
> =80=99t
> > =E2=80=9Ctrying to suck [his] own cock=E2=80=9D.  Note this article in
> to=
> day=E2=80=99s print
> > version reflecting on the issue:
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/business/scaramuccis-
> > vulgar-rant-spurs-newsroom-debate-asterisks-or-no-asterisks.html
> >
> >
> > [=E2=80=A6]
> > At The New York Times, editors had a lengthy, raucous discussion about
> > which obscenities to include, and how many. Dean Baquet, the executive
> > editor of The Times, made the final decision.
> >
> > =E2=80=9CWe concluded that it was newsworthy that a top Trump aide used
> s=
> uch
> > language,=E2=80=9D Cliff Levy, a deputy managing editor at The Times,
> wro=
> te on
> > Twitter. =E2=80=9CAnd we didn=E2=80=99t want our readers to have to
> searc=
> h elsewhere to
> > find out what Scaramucci said.=E2=80=9D
> >
> > Still, the publication of so many expletives and vulgarities, while
> deeme=
> d
> > newsworthy, may have baffled any reader accustomed to The Times of yore.
> >
> > =E2=80=9CThere is no question in my mind that in recent years, we have
> be=
> en more
> > open to considering exceptions in a range of cases,=E2=80=9D Phil
> Corbett=
> , the
> > standards editor for The Times, said. =E2=80=9CFifteen years ago, we
> almo=
> st never
> > would have made exceptions like this.=E2=80=9D
> >
> > One Times policy has remained intact: after publishing vulgar language
> an=
> d
> > obscenities in an article, the paper rarely repeats them in subsequent
> > ones. And, thus, this story.
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >
> > =E2=80=94That is, Ember=E2=80=99s article itself avoids all such terms,
> r=
> eferring instead
> > to "an F and G with asterisks between" and =E2=80=9CC-blocking=E2=80=9D.
> =
>  But while that
> > may be the Times=E2=80=99 policy, it apparently can be relaxed for
> column=
> ists, as
> > seen in this op-ed by Bret Stephens in the same issue, which spells
> > everything out in full (sixth and seventh paragraphs down):
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/opinion/trump-vulgarity-
> > scaramucci-conservatives.html
> >
> > LH
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> George A. Thompson
> The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.
> Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern
> Univ. Pr., 1998.
>
> But when aroused at the Trump of Doom / Ye shall start, bold kings, from
> your lowly tomb. . .
> L. H. Sigourney, "Burial of Mazeen", Poems.  Boston, 1827, p. 112
>
> The Trump of Doom -- affectionately (of course) also known as The Dunghill
> Toadstool.  (Here's a picture of one.)
> http://www.parliament.uk/worksofart/artwork/james-
> gillray/an-excrescence---=
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