[Ads-l] Meaningless "so" at start of reply sentence

Wed Nov 15 15:45:38 UTC 2017

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On 11/15/2017 9:44 AM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
> So I've noticed from MSNBC commentators.  Other needless sentence leaders besides "so" are "listen" and "look".
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> One more link on sentence-initial "so" -- Ben Yagoda's 2011 piece for the
> Chronicle's Lingua Franca blog.
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> http://www.chronicle.com/blogs/linguafranca/2011/12/02/so-it-turns-out-that-everyones-starting-sentences-with-so/
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> So It Turns Out That Everyone’s Starting Sentences With ...<http://www.chronicle.com/blogs/linguafranca/2011/12/02/so-it-turns-out-that-everyones-starting-sentences-with-so/>
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> So my favorite recent language article is a piece by Anand Giridharadas that appeared in The New York Times last year. It’s about the use of the word so in speech ...
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> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Heaney's use of "So" came up in the comments on the Language Log post I
>> linked to.
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>> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2570#comment-81190
> Language Log » So new?<http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2570#comment-81190>
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> 62 Comments Noni Mausa said, August 22, 2010 @ 9:54 am. Being rather slow on the uptake, I first noticed the initial "so" a few years ago in CBC radio interviews with ...
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>> [Dan Lufkin:] Seamus Heany begins his translation of Beowulf with "So. The
>> Spear-Danes in days gone by…." The "so" renders OE "Hwæt." Heany comments
>> on his choice (Introduction, p. xxvii):
>> "In Hiberno-English Scullionspeak, the particle 'so' came naturally to the
>> rescue, because in that idiom 'so' operates as an expression which
>> obliterates all previous discourse and narrative, and at the same time
>> functions as an exclamation calling for immediate attention. So, 'so' it
>> was."
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>> Also discussed in comments on these posts:
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>> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1872
> Language Log » Also, check the back seat<http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1872>
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> 32 Comments T. A. Smith said, November 7, 2009 @ 10:44 am. To prove your point: For about seventy years, I was painfully uneasy about writing a sentence that began ...
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>> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=4021
> Language Log » Hwæt, the parking-spaces<http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=4021>
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> 52 Comments Thor said, June 14, 2012 @ 8:55 am. Are you sure they aren't just quoting the rapper Li'l John? mikemorr said, June 14, 2012 @ 8:58 am
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>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Kate Svoboda-Spanbock <
>> katesvobodaspanbock at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Not sure whether any of the references below mention it, but, Seamus
>>> Heaney used it, followed by a period, to start his translation of Beowulf.
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>>> Kate Svoboda-Spanbock
>>> katesvobodaspanbock at gmail.com
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>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>>>> Back when, I somehow got into the habit of introducing a topic with the
>>>> words, "As I've said," even though I'd not mentioned that topic before,
>>>> ever. I became consciously aware of it after my girlfriend eventually
>>>> freaked out.
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>>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Googling for "sentence-initial 'so'" yields some familiar faces.
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>>>>> Geoff Nunberg on Fresh Air:
>>>>> https://www.npr.org/2015/09/03/432732859/so-whats-the-big-
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> So, What's The Big Deal With Starting A Sentence With 'So'?<https://www.npr.org/2015/09/03/432732859/so-whats-the-big->
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> It has been called the new "um" or "like," but linguist Geoff Nunberg says starting sentences with "so" isn't a new trend. People have been doing it for years. We're just noticing it more now.
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>>>>> deal-with-starting-a-sentence-with-so
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>>>>> Arnold Zwicky on his blog:
>>>>> https://arnoldzwicky.org/2015/08/11/so/
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> So…? | Arnold Zwicky's Blog<https://arnoldzwicky.org/2015/08/11/so/>
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> Today's Zippy features Mr. the Toad, moving during the day to his default personality: seized by rage and a sense of entitlement and issuing sweeping pronouncements ...
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>>>>> Grant Barrett on A Way With Words:
>>>>> https://www.waywordradio.org/sentence-initial-so/
> Sentence-Initial So - A Way with Words<https://www.waywordradio.org/sentence-initial-so/>
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> So, can a sentence begin with the word so? Which ones? So is oftentimes used in place of therefore to conclude an explanation, but more people are using it as a
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>>>>> Mark Liberman on Language Log:
>>>>> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2570
> Language Log » So new?<http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2570>
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> 62 Comments Noni Mausa said, August 22, 2010 @ 9:54 am. Being rather slow on the uptake, I first noticed the initial "so" a few years ago in CBC radio interviews with ...
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>>>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Margaret Winters <mewinters at wayne.edu
>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>> I've been noticing it for a couple of years at the LSA and other
>>>>>> conferences - younger speakers particularly tend to start their talks
>>>>> with
>>>>>> 'so' or 'ok'.  I've been understanding it as a semantic inchoative -
>>>>> 'This
>>>>>> is an announcement that I am getting going on my talk'.  I once
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>>>>>> trying to gather data at a conference (approximate age of speaker,
>>>>> gender,
>>>>>> and first word), but got distracted too many times and gave it up.  I
>>>>> don't
>>>>>> know of anything has been written on it, but would be interested.
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>>>>>> Margaret
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>>>>>> MARGARET E WINTERS
>>>>>> Former Provost
>>>>>> Professor Emerita - French and Linguistics
>>>>>> Wayne State University
>>>>>> Detroit, MI  48202
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>>>>>> mewinters at wayne.edu
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>>>>>> From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of
>>>>>> Cohen, Gerald Leonard <gcohen at MST.EDU>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 5:12 PM
>>>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>>>> Subject: Meaningless "so" at start of reply sentence
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>>>>>> Yesterday a friend asked me about something I've noticed for at least
>>> a
>>>>>> year: On TV and radio I often hear a response to a question begin with
>>>>> the
>>>>>> meaningless word so.
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>>>>>> E.g.:
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>>>>>> Question: Did the Democrats have a good turnout?
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>>>>>> Answer begins: So let's look at the figures.
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>>>>>> Has this feature been treated yet in any linguistic discussions?  And
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>>>>>> my impression correct that it is a relatively recent development (the
>>>>> past
>>>>>> year or two)?
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