[Ads-l] Meta re: rebel yell and yeehaw
Wilson Gray
hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Wed Apr 4 02:37:39 UTC 2018
> > > Those of sufficient maturity may recall the following battle-cry:
> > >
> > Galaxy Magazine - Volume 8, Issues 1-6 - Page 137
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=gLoSAAAAIAAJ
> > 1954 - Snippet view
> > And then the little man cupped his hands to his mouth and hooted
> mournfully
> > into the twilight, _"Wa-wa-wa-wa-wabbit twacks!"_
>
> > > I am and I do. Yeah! But I can't remember the origin.
Full text of "Galaxy Magazine (July 1954)" - Internet Archive
https://archive.org/stream/galaxymagazine-1954-07/Galaxy_1954_07_djvu.txt
Shep boomed happily, "We'll get my crimson lake out of the way, then
registration." They walked through the driving rain to a tumbledown
building guarded by a rat-faced boy of twelve. Shep told him cryptically,
"Got a message for Monmouth." The boy hooted mournfully,
"Wa-wa-wa-wa-wabbit twacks!"
On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Mark Mandel <mark.a.mandel at gmail.com> wrote:
> My, my. *NINE LEVELS *of embedded quotes. I think that's a record for what
> I've seen, or at least that I've cared enough to read.
>
> *wc* (no, not "W.C."!) says
> 341 2416 10979
> lines words
> ş
> Mark Mandel
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:09 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Merriam-Webster online now defines "rebel yell" as follows:
> >
> >
> > ...
>
> > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> ...
>
>
> > > Those of sufficient maturity may recall the following battle-cry:
> > >
> > > Galaxy Magazine - Volume 8, Issues 1-6 - Page 137
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=gLoSAAAAIAAJ
> > > 1954 - Snippet view
> > > And then the little man cupped his hands to his mouth and hooted
> > mournfully
> > > into the twilight, _"Wa-wa-wa-wa-wabbit twacks!"_
> >
>
> I am and I do. Yeah! But I can't remember the origin.
>
>
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > A US Marine Corps recruiting poster of 1918 reads, remarkably,
> > > >
> > > > "E-E-E-Yah-Yip Go Over With U.S. Marines"
> > > >
> > > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/
> 3551356171/in/set-
> > > > 72157604204316251/
> > > >
> > > > I read the "Yip" as a clumsy way of conveying a high-pitched squeal,
> > > rather
> > > > than the representation of an actual vocable.
> > > >
> > > > An interesting relative of both the "yip-yip-yip" type of rebel yell
> > and
> > > > the later, iconic "(Y)ee-ha!"
> > > >
> > > > JL
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ---------------------- Information from the mail header
> > > > > -----------------------
> > > > > Sender: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > > > > Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> > > > > Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yesterday I found myself serendipitously driving behind a panel
> truck
> > > > that
> > > > > advertised
> > > > >
> > > > > YEE-HAW! A FINE SOUTHERN BEER.
> > > > >
> > > > > YOU'LL SAY IT WHEN YOU DRINK IT!
> > > > >
> > > > > Proof:
> > > > > https://trademarks.justia.com/864/49/you-ll-say-it-when-you-
> > > > > drink-86449331.html
> > > > >
> > > > > JL
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ---------------------- Information from the mail header
> > > > > > -----------------------
> > > > > > Sender: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > > > > > Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another early Yeehah!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Cumberland Three" was a folk-pop band of the Kingston Trio
> > sort.
> > > > In
> > > > > > 1960 they released a pair of LPs of souped-up Civil War songs on
> > the
> > > > > > Roulette label: "Civil War Almanac: 'Yankees,' Vol. 1" and
> > > > "...'Rebels,'
> > > > > > Vol. 2."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On track B3 of the latter album, an extreme "Yeehah!" is
> > specifically
> > > > > > identified as "the rebel yell."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Cumberland Three, as far as I can tell, hailed from the West
> > > Coast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
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> >
> > > > > > > Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now there's a whole book on the subject:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/The-Rebel-Yell-Cultural-History/
> > > dp/0817318488
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nothing linguistically new here, though there's a lot of
> > discussion
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > yell as a primary postbellum cultural symbol that seems to have
> > > been
> > > > > > ousted
> > > > > > > by the Confederate battle flag (actually, naval flag) only
> during
> > > the
> > > > > > Civil
> > > > > > > Rights Movement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Professor Warren's bulleted "key observations" include:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "As early as the summer of 1861 Southern screeching had
> occurred
> > in
> > > > > both
> > > > > > > major theaters of the war. ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The Rebel yell seemingly lacked words, word sounds, rhyme, and
> > any
> > > > > > > coherent rhythm....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The yell resulted from bodies of men screeching in unison. The
> > > > > > collective
> > > > > > > effort created greater volume and complexity than could be
> > achieved
> > > > by
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > one soldier...."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Etc. He also cites and dismisses claims that the yell
> originated
> > at
> > > > > Troy,
> > > > > > > in Britain or Ireland, among the Mongols, or in the ululations
> of
> > > > > Muslim
> > > > > > > Spain. Maybe Indian war-whoops contributed, maybe they didn't.
> > > Maybe
> > > > > > slave
> > > > > > > shouts too, but maybe not. You just can't tell with the rebel
> > yell;
> > > > > > > especially since, as Professor Warren correctly observes, there
> > was
> > > > no
> > > > > > > single, standard, prescribed yell at all.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Prof. Warren, author of an earlier book on Civil War
> literature,
> > > > cites
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > plethora of rebel yell information.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Except, that is, for our multi-year discussion, which began in
> > > > 2006. I
> > > > > > > find no mention of "Yeehaw!" antebellum mules, "Red River,"
> Stan
> > > > > > Freberg,
> > > > > > > "Doctor Strangelove," or the 1st Marine Parachute Regiment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But there is a photo of the dust jacket of H. Allen Smith's
> > book.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > > > > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
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> > >
> > > > > > > > Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One day earlier in _The Oregonian_ (Portland), p. 11.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > JL
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > > > > > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For the record, here is the earliest "Yee-ha[w/h]!" I've
> seen
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > explicitly refers to it as a "rebel yell":
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1984 Joyce Lain Kennedy in _Springfield [Mass.] Republican_
> > > B-8:
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > time your temper flares at the boss and you're tempted to
> > > > > "yee-haw!"
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > rebel yell, remember who lost the Civil War.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That's 123 years after the start of said war.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > JL
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > > > > > > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Make that "(1959)."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > JL
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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