[Ads-l] QOTY nominee: "Truth isn't truth"

[Jonathan Lighter]

And I MISSED IT???

This is marketing malpractice.

Maybe they'll show it again.

JL


On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 6:31 AM Charles C Doyle <cdoyle at uga.edu> wrote:

> On the productiveness of the "-nado" element, let us note that the newest
> "Sharknado" movie (the 4th? 5th?) premiered last night on the SiFi channel.
>
>
> --Charlie
>
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> Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 8:13:50 PM
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> Subject: Re: QOTY nominee: "Truth isn't truth"
>
> On a less political and WOTYer note, how established was the blend
> “firenado” before the conflagrations of the last month or two in Redding
> and elsewhere?
>
> LH
>
> > On Aug 19, 2018, at 5:43 PM, Peter Reitan <pjreitan at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >
> > "That's certainly what it's widely believed to have meant, but watching
> the
> > entire exchange suggests another, less dire, possibility."
> >
> > This comment neatly summarizes nuch of the reporting on everything the
> President has said or tweeted since he announced his candidacy.
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jonathan Lighter<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> > Sent: ‎8/‎19/‎2018 14:36
> > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU<mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > Subject: Re: QOTY nominee: "Truth isn't truth"
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> >
> > That's certainly what it's widely believed to have meant, but watching
> the
> > entire exchange suggests another, less dire, possibility.
> >
> > JL
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 5:29 PM Mark Mandel <mark.a.mandel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> No, I think the phrase means "Those are what you call facts. These are
> what
> >> I call facts, and yours are inconsistent with them."
> >>
> >> Mark Mandel
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 4:36 PM Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What he clearly meant is that what somebody says is the truth isn't
> >>> necessarily the truth.
> >>>
> >>> Giuliani then said:
> >>>
> >>> "Donald Trump says, 'I didn't talk about  Flynn with Comey'. Comey
> says,
> >>> 'You did talk about it.'  So tell me what the truth is."
> >>> I doubt he meant that "Truth is not truth," which  remains logically
> >>> impossible. He meant that from two conflicting stories from equally
> >>> reliable witnesses,  you can't decide without other evidence what the
> >> truth
> >>> really is.   And you might be wrong anyway.
> >>> (N.b., "equally reliable" and "without other evidence.")
> >>> Similarly, Kellyanne's "alernative facts" meant "other facts that
> >> outweigh
> >>> yours."
> >>>
> >>> JL
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 3:53 PM Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This one from Rudy Giuliani could be hard to beat for QOTY. Even in
> the
> >>>> moment Chuck Todd recognizes its meme potential.
> >>>>
> >>>> ----
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/19/politics/rudy-giuliani-truth-isnt-truth/index.html
> >>>>
> >>>> "When you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he's going
> >> to
> >>>> tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, well, that's so silly because
> >> it's
> >>>> somebody's version of the truth. Not the truth," Giuliani told NBC's
> >>> Chuck
> >>>> Todd on Sunday morning during "Meet the Press."
> >>>>
> >>>> "Truth is truth," Todd said in response.
> >>>>
> >>>> "No, no, it isn't truth," Giuliani said. "Truth isn't truth. The
> >>> President
> >>>> of the United States says, "I didn't ..."
> >>>>
> >>>> "Truth isn't truth?" Todd interjected. "Mr. Mayor, do you realize,
> what
> >>> ...
> >>>> I think this is going to become a bad meme."
> >>>>
> >>>> "No, no, no ... don't do this to me," Giuliani said.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Don't do 'truth isn't truth' to me," Todd continues.
> >>>> ----
> >>>>
> >>>> (I'm hoping Larry can explain this fascinating exercise in
> >>> self-negation.)
> >>>>
> >>>> --bgz
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