[Ads-l] Adage: It's Easier To Ask Forgiveness Than To Get Permission

[ADSGarson O'Toole]

Excellent. Thanks Stephen.
Garson

On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 5:27 AM Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu> wrote:

> Here's the 1685 version from Lord Mordaunt:
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>
> "But in truth the Cardinal Barbarin, of whom the Dutchess had great
> dependance, and all the other Adherents and Relations of the House of Esté,
> being every day more and more possessed of the Honor and Interest they were
> like to find in this Alliance, were scandalised at the unreasonable
> obstinacy of the Pope and his Nephew, and did franckly advise the Dutchess
> of Modena suddenly to make up and perfect the Marriage; the peace, and
> excuse of the thing being easier to be had after it was done, than any
> present Licence to be obtained for doing it."
>
> From Early English Books Online
> page 428
> Succint genealogies of the noble and ancient houses of Alno or de Alneto,
> Broc of Stephale, Latimer of Duntish, Drayton of Drayton, Mauduit of
> Westminster, Green of Drayton, Vere of Addington, Fitz-Lewes of
> Westhornedon, Howard of Effingham and Mordaunt of Turvey :
> justified by publick records, ancient and extant charters, histories and
> other authentick proofs, and enriched with divers sculptures of tombs,
> images, seals, and other curiosities /
>
> Henry Mordaunt Peterborough, Earl of
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> [10], 697 pages, [41] pages of plates) : illustrations, coats of arms
> London :
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> Stephen Goranson
> http://people.duke.edu/~goranson/
> Stephen Goranson's Home Page - Duke University<
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> "Celsus of Pergamum: Locating a Critic of Early Christianity," Ch. 30 in
> The Archaeology of Difference: Gender, Ethnicity, Class and the "Other" in
> Antiquity: Studies in Honor of Eric M. Meyers (AASOR 60/61, 2007 ...
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> Permission
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> The saying in the subject line was discussed on the Freakonomics blog
> back in 2010. At the time I shared two citations. Stephen Goranson
> helped to verify a citation with hardcopy. Fred told me about a 1966
> citation via email.
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> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__freakonomics.com_2010_06_24_quotes-2Duncovered-2Dforgiveness-2Dpermission-2Dand-2Dawesomeness_&d=DwIFaQ&c=imBPVzF25OnBgGmVOlcsiEgHoG1i6YHLR0Sj_gZ4adc&r=uUVa-8oDL2EzfbuMuowoUadHHcJ7pjul6iFkS5Pd--8&m=HFAGVnrlMpipb3OkVmBlBdAIAl3f48sB7Ts04BSo7L0&s=lrAHAvage_4VGnCt24Mh2wX106ogAsU9idanq5PffpU&e=
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> Barry Popik explored the topic in 2011:
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> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.barrypopik.com_index.php_new-5Fyork-5Fcity_entry_it-5Fis-5Fmuch-5Feasier-5Fto-5Fapologize-5Fthan-5Fit-5Fis-5Fto-5Fget-5Fpermission_&d=DwIFaQ&c=imBPVzF25OnBgGmVOlcsiEgHoG1i6YHLR0Sj_gZ4adc&r=uUVa-8oDL2EzfbuMuowoUadHHcJ7pjul6iFkS5Pd--8&m=HFAGVnrlMpipb3OkVmBlBdAIAl3f48sB7Ts04BSo7L0&s=bb62wFVp9TaVD3myn6e62Ls--nR5XTgnp9X7PU-HBUY&e=
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> The Dictionary of Modern Proverbs has an entry which verifies a key
> citation in 1966.
>
> Now I've finally created an entry. The first match listed is dated
> 1846 although the statement is not quite in proverbial form.
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> It’s Easier To Ask Forgiveness Than To Get Permission
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> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__quoteinvestigator.com_2018_06_19_forgive_&d=DwIFaQ&c=imBPVzF25OnBgGmVOlcsiEgHoG1i6YHLR0Sj_gZ4adc&r=uUVa-8oDL2EzfbuMuowoUadHHcJ7pjul6iFkS5Pd--8&m=HFAGVnrlMpipb3OkVmBlBdAIAl3f48sB7Ts04BSo7L0&s=H8Ik5iv73aCXgkjJqzeFTeeUH3AvMDqrmT_4L4p2Rf0&e=
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> [Begin acknowledgement]
> Great thanks to Claudia, William Flesch, and Nick Rollins whose
> inquiries led QI to formulate this question and perform this
> exploration. Some citations were previously shared by QI in 2010 on
> the Freakonomics website. Thanks to Barry Popik, Bill Mullins, Fred
> Shapiro, and Herb Stahlke for their research and comments. Further
> thanks to Stephen Goranson for his research and for his verification
> of the February 1971 citation.
> [End acknowledgement]
>
> Garson<
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