[Ads-l] Bugs Bunny coins "Nimrod"?

Fri Oct 12 17:10:58 UTC 2018

> I updated the wordorigins.org page on "nimrod" several months ago:
http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/more/2195/

Not having re-watched the Bugs/Daffy/Elmer as Nimrod 'toons (yet!):
http://www.warnercompanion.com/eowbcc-e.html

I agree with the "It was only Daffy's line", as "our little nimrod" sounds
more like him - Bugs wouldn't be so erudite. I think what happened was
that, considering the audience, the "Biblical great hunter Nimrod"
connection wouldn't arise, but in all the quotes from adults, right up
through Tom Clancy (who probably knows his Bible characters), it seems that
"nimrod" is just being used as a fancy name for hunter; it's not being used
as connoting "moron" but that it being used ironically to compare the
idiocy of what their doing to actions of a skilled hunter, Nimrod himself
even.  I don't see that Washington Irving was trying carve out a class of
hunter who behave stupidly and then naming them "nimrods".

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 4:37 PM David Wilton <dave at wilton.net> wrote:

> I updated the wordorigins.org page on "nimrod" several months ago:
> http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/more/2195/
>
> It wasn't Bugs who called Elmer Fudd a nimrod, it was Daffy Duck, although
> lots of people, including me, have memories of Bugs doing so. (There are
> other instances of such false memories of movies, such as Jaws's girlfriend
> having braces in the Bond film "Moonraker." Lots of people distinctly
> remember her having them; she does not.)
>
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> It occurred to me that the example from the Dexter Free Press was probably
> a reference to an earlier usage in the same newspaper.  It’s almost
> certainly the following one, where “nimrod” (lower case) is a sarcastic
> term for “hunter.”  From the Dexter (Kansas) Free Press, Nov. 1, 1889:
> “There is a larger crop of prairie chickens, quail and jack rabbits this
> season than for years, and doughty nimrods are burning considerable powder
> in attemping [sic] to scare the life out of the poor, innocent creatures.”
>
>
> John Baker
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> From: Baker, John
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> Here are a couple of pre-Bugs examples of “Nimrod” from Newspapers.com.
> I’m not sure to what extent the first one should be taken at face value.
> In the second, “What a Nimrod!” is a sarcastic way to say “What a great
> hunter!”  “Nimrod” used to be a much more common term than it is today, and
> I didn’t spend much time looking at this, so I’m sure these can be improved
> upon.
>
> Dexter (Kansas) Free Press, Nov. 29, 1889:  “Jim Handy wants to know what
> a nimrod is.  It is this.  In the article you seen it mentioned in, it
> means a fool.”
>
> Shepherdstown (W. Va.) Register, Mar. 5, 1903:  “It is announced that the
> President is to go West in a few weeks and hunt big game.  Let us hope he
> will have a change of luck.  With Washington full of trust magnates, tariff
> robbers, money grabbers and other great game the past winter, the only
> thing he succeeded in harming was a handful of humble, inoffensive citizens
> at Indianola.
> What a Nimrod!”
>
>
> John Baker
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> I wouldn't give Bugs sole credit, as much as I'd like to. Michael Quinion
> does a good job of tracing the semantic evolution:
>
> http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-nim1.htm<
> http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-nim1.htm>
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:11 PM Andy Bach <afbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > According to "Now You Know" and WikiP, Chuck Jones et alia are the actual
> > coiners of the idiot version:
> > " The word “nimrod” is commonly used to describe someone who is acting
> like
> > a doofus, but the word originally meant the opposite. “Nimrod” originally
> > comes from the name of a biblical Egyptian king who was widely regarded
> as
> > a skilled hunter. But, according to Wikipedia
> > <
> >
> https://nowiknow.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2889002ad89d45ca21f50ba46&id=aefcd20163&e=33dbfa3b8f
> <
> https://nowiknow.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2889002ad89d45ca21f50ba46&id=aefcd20163&e=33dbfa3b8f
> >
> > >,
> > Bugs Bunny (yes, the iconic cartoon character) used the term
> sarcastically
> > in reference to hapless hunter Elmer Fudd. Viewers didn’t pick up the
> > sarcasm and the meaning of the term reversed. "
> >
> > WikiP cites "Garner's Modern American Usage":
> >
> https://books.google.com/books?id=mVcJqKs1isUC&pg=PR53#v=onepage&q&f=false
> <
> https://books.google.com/books?id=mVcJqKs1isUC&pg=PR53#v=onepage&q&f=false
> >
> >
> > Though they also cite the "Dictionary of Jewish Usage"
> >
> https://books.google.com/books?id=Nk_RFL9LYg0C&pg=PA126#v=onepage&q&f=false
> <
> https://books.google.com/books?id=Nk_RFL9LYg0C&pg=PA126#v=onepage&q&f=false
> >
> >
> > which says it was in use as meaning "maroon" (said to be Bugs'
> > pronunciation of "moron", not referring to Maroons, runaway slaves (which
> > the Straight Dope differs:
> > https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-25808.html<
> https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-25808.html>
> > )) is noted as far back as the 1930s
> >
> >
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