[Ads-l] Bootstrap antedating

Tue Jul 9 19:24:13 UTC 2019

Here is a link to the 1830 edition. Apologies for the redundant posts.

https://books.google.com/books?id=sAE5AAAAMAAJ&q=%22the+straps%22#v=snippet&

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:13 PM ADSGarson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The 1831 book by J. L. Comstock says it is a second edition. So the
> quotation might be in the first edition whenever it appeared.
>
> Warning: In the Google Books database I came across an edition of the
> book that the GB database labels 1813, but the preface is dated 1838.
> The GB date is wrong. It seems the real date of the 1813 book is 1843.
> Here is a link to the book with defective metadata:
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=xJgAAAAAMAAJ&q=%22the+straps%22#v=snippet&
>
> Garson
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:56 PM ADSGarson O'Toole
> <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here is an instance in 1831
> >
> > Year: 1831
> > Book: A System of Natural Philosophy: In which the Principles of Mechanics ...
> > Author: John Lee Comstock
> > Quote Page 40
> >
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=iWpYAAAAYAAJ&q=%22the+straps%22#v=snippet&q=%22the%20straps%22&f=false
> >
> > [Begin excerpt]
> > Had the sails received the whole force of the
> > wind from the bellows, the boat would not have moved at all,
> > for then, action and re-action would have been exactly equal,
> >  and it would have been like a man's attempting to raise himself
> > over a fence by the straps of his boots.
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> > Garson
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:45 PM ADSGarson O'Toole
> > <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Dave and Stephen.
> > > Barry Popik has an entry which acknowledges the assistance of Ben
> > > Zimmer who posted information to the ADS list on August 11, 2005.
> > > https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/pull_yourself_up_by_your_bootstraps
> > >
> > > Barry lists the following earliest citation:
> > >
> > > [Begin excerpt from barrypopik.com]
> > > 30 September 1834, New-York )NY) American, pg. 2, col. 4: KNOW YE,
> > > that I, NIMROD MURPHREE, of the city of Nashville, and state of
> > > Tennessee, have discovered perpetual motion. N. MUROHREE.
> > >
> > > Nashville, Aug, 27, 1834.—We clip the above from the last number of
> > > the Nashville (Tenn.) Banner, where it appears as an advertisement,
> > > without note or comment. Probably Mr. Murphree has succeeded in
> > > handing himself over the Cumberland river, or a barn yard fence, by
> > > the straps of his boots. We advise him to send his pretensions on the
> > > next Congress by Col. Crockett himself, whose motto is “go
> > > ahead!”—[Mobile Adv.]
> > > [End excerpt from barrypopik.com]
> > >
> > > Garson
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:41 PM Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Had this man made, and applied the experiment of attempting to raise himself into the air by pulling at his boot-straps, he would have saved himself the expense of building such a boat."
> > > > Youth's Book of Natural Philosophy, J. L. Comstock (Hartford 1838, c1834) 45.
> > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn5wzr&view=1up&seq=47
> > > >
> > > > S. Goranson
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > > From: American Dialect Society <...> on behalf of Dave Wilton <...>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 10:13 AM
> > > > To: ...
> > > > Subject: [ADS-L] Bootstrap antedating
> > > >
> > > > The OED has 1891 for the noun and 1922 for the phrase "lift oneself by one's bootstrap." It's much older.
> > > >
> > > > “The National Observer.” New York Daily Tribune, 4 February 1861, 4.
> > > >
> > > > The legislation would be as hopeless as the attempt of a man to lift himself by his boot-straps.
> > > >
> > > > “The Keeley Motor. Alleged Powers of the Machine.” New York Tribune, 17 July 1875, 9.
> > > >
> > > > You might as well tell me that you have a combination of levers by which you can lift yourself over The Tribune tower in New-York by your boot-straps. What you say is absurd.
> > > >
> > > > “Has Business Revived: Some Unpalatable Truths About the Situation.” Daily American, 1 November 1977, 2.
> > > >
> > > > It is possible for business to grow, slowly but steadily. It is not possible for business to lift itself by its own boot-straps.
> > > >
> > > > “No Up: The Impossibility of Benting Voorlies—A Valuable Cincinnati…Entirely Lost.” Louisville Courier-Journal, 15 Oct 1878. 2
> > > >
> > > > The second point of difficulty is of a much more serious character, and it is about the same that beset the man who attempted to lift himself by his boot-strap.”
> > > >
> > > > “The Gods: A Lecture on the Subject by Col R. G. Ingersoll.” Detroit Free Press, 4 Feb 1880, 8.
> > > >
> > > > It was very like attempting to lift one’s self by the boot-straps, a hopeless undertaking, but very good exercise.
> > > >
> > > > Editorial. Louisville Courier-Journal, 3 Aug 1884, 12.
> > > >
> > > > It is like a man lifting himself with his bootstraps. There is a lack of purchase or leverage.
> > > >
> > > > “Commercial Union. Goldwin Smith Urges Manitoba to Join the Ranks.” New York Times, 30 May 1888, 2.
> > > >
> > > > Others may be persuaded that it can “lift itself by its own bootstraps,” but as Manitoba has no bootstraps it cannot share that fancy.
> > > >
> > > > Ben Zimmer previously posting the following to this list, which I repeat here:
> > > >
> > > > Editorial of the Day: The Bootstrapper. Chicago Daily Tribune, 19 Oct 1927, 10.
> > > >
> > > > Now everyone has heard of the American bootlegger. But the bootstrapper is an even greater national figure, just as the feat of “lifting oneself by one’s bootstraps” is an almost entirely American accomplishment.
> > > >
> > > > […]
> > > >
> > > > This is all right so long as there is plenty of room for the first rate
> > > > man who has no capacity for bootstrapping and so long as there is no
> > > > sudden crisis.
> > > >
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