[Ads-l] Modern Proverb: A good loser is no good (Robert Zuppke Nov 6, 1924) (UNCLASSIFIED)

Fri Jun 28 19:42:42 UTC 2019

Thanks Bill. I updated the article to include the citation you found
and added an acknowledgement:

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Special thanks to Bill Mullins who located the May 8, 1911 citation.
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https://quoteinvestigator.com/2019/06/27/good-loser/

I also added a 1911 citation expressing a distinct viewpoint:

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There is a natural tension between being a "good loser" and a "hard
loser". Yet, the writer Robert Haven Schauffler believed that the two
types of losers could be combined as indicated in his article titled
"What Is Sportsmanship?" in "The Outlook" in November 1911:

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Though the sportsman is a good loser, however, he is a precious hard
loser. He battles till the last trench. He never says die.
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Garson

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 2:09 PM MULLINS, WILLIAM D (Bill) CIV USARMY
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> _Cincinnati Post_ 8 May 1911 p 6 col 3
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> ""[Cincinnati Reds manager Clark] Griffith is a prince among managers," said Harry Gaspar while playing hearts after breakfast this morning.  "I have never worked for a better manager, and never want to.  He is a hard loser, and that is one reason I admire him.  Show me a good loser and I will show you a darn fool." "
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